TSM NT Performance Statistics - Help Please

2001-09-07 Thread MORGAN TONY

Hi Everyone in the World (Don't want to miss anyone and offend them!!),

I am currently trying to improve performance on my NT only TSM backups and
need to see what other sites are achieving as throughput.

If you have an NT environment similar to mine, I would appreciate the
results from the following QUERY statement on your server.  Plus general
config details as shown...

Many thanks for taking the time to read this and for taking part.
If you would like a copy of my research, please ask.

If I get enough feedback, we could get a rough idea of the effect that
different configurations affect performance.  I am aware that there are many
other variables, but this is a start!!

If someone has already done this *** eg. Tivoli *** please,please let me
know.

Best Regards

Tony Morgan
Fortis Bank UK
London

~~

My environment is 38 NT clients, one of which is a large file server (+-
40GB daily incremental), the rest are +- 43 GB Daily incremental total.

Query
~

>>> query actlog begind=-7 search=ANE496

You may want to strip nodenames for your security.

Config details Example
~~

Server Type -   Compaq PL3000
Processor No/Type/Speed -   2x PII 350Mhz
Disk Array  -   Raid 5 soft partitioned
Backup Destination Stg  -   Disk (or Tape or ?)
Tape Device -   DLT7000




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Re: 3494 sharing

2001-09-07 Thread Cook, Dwight E

With the 3494, if purchased and installed with RS232 host communication
method, you will need an MES to upgrade to TCP/IP communication method.
Need to make sure you have the drivers for the tape drives & library...
see ftp site index.storsys.ibm.com in the /devdrvr directory or somewhere
down from there...
looking for atape___& atldd
use
lslpp -l Atape.driver
and
lslpp -l atldd.driver
to see if already installed (and at what level)
if not happy with current situation, install new poop...
make sure all new hardware is connected
edit /etc/ibmatl.conf to insert new library definition record
run cfgmgr to find new tape drives
use smitty, devices, tape drive, add a tape drive,
atl  library LAN/TTY Library Management Control Point
to create a new lmcp
use
  Configure a Defined Tape Drive
to make it available
I take it you have unique tape drives for each system !
make sure you use different scratch & private categories across
different tsm servers

Oh, and Geoff... what is that SAIC charge code I need to use ;-)

Dwight
([EMAIL PROTECTED])

-Original Message-
From: Gill, Geoffrey L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 4:16 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: 3494 sharing


A little info before I ask my question.

Current setup:
TSM Server is RS6000 AIX4.3.3 running TSM 4.1.2
Library is 3494 connected serial to the H50.

New TSM Server is RS6000 AIX4.3.3 running TSM 4.1.2
Library will be connected serial to the M80.

The question is on how to use the library with 2 servers, one Production and
one for testing. The M80 is going to be connected to the library serial,
unless someone knows a reason not to, it will be moving to production. I am
not familiar with how the 3494 is built so I can't tell you if I can connect
through a LAN. If it's standard in the delivery to have it, then you can
count on it being there. Unfortunately it's connected serial to the H50
right now.

IBM will be here tomorrow to connect the new library section and hopefully
to the M80 too. I know a definition is made at the console to tell the
library of the server but beyond that I know nothing. I know that some of
you have done this recently and I could fumble through the messages to
locate bits and pieces, but I'd rather not. I'd like to see if anyone has a
document they can send to me that explains a step by step process/setup to
enable the sharing of the library to 2 TSM servers, and any configuration I
may need to make at the RS6000. Like the document I gave to a lot of people
on my upgrade process from ADSM V3 to V4.. I've searched IBM on library
sharing but.you didn't think I'd find anything like this there do you?

Yes I'm looking for a handout.
Thanks, for the help.

Geoff Gill
TSM Administrator
NT Systems Support Engineer
SAIC
E-Mail:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone:  (858) 826-4062
Pager:   (888) 997-9614



Re: Client node admin

2001-09-07 Thread Zlatko Krastev/ACIT

GRANT AUTHORITY  CLASSES=NODE AUTHORITY=OWNER
NODENAME=

If you look at the end of REGISTER ADMIN command description you can find
other relevant commands. One of them is GRANT AUTHORITY and you can look
what exactly it does.


Zlatko Krastev
IT Consultant





Diana Noble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 06.09.2001 17:31:01
Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc:

Subject:Client node admin

Is there a way to assign a new admin to a client node?  It doesn't appear
you can do it by updating the client.



Re: back image command

2001-09-07 Thread Richard Sims

>We are trying to optimize some of our backups and wanted to experiment with
>backuping up JFS filesystems using backup image.  Our thought process was
>that by bypassing the overhead of the JFS we could decrease the backup
>window.  However we are told that one of the rules for TSM (ver 3.7) is that
>if the filesystem is not configured as raw at the LVM level backup image
>will not work.  Is this correct?  Is there away around this?
>How much overhead is actually affiliated with the JFS?

Peter - I presume the context is AIX.  Here, file systems are created within
Logical Volumes, which is the "raw" space underlying the file system.
The "filespec" used in the Backup Image command is either the file system
name (to implicitly identify the underlying Logical Volume), or the Logical
Volume itself.  If a file system is involved, TSM will proceed to unmount it
so as to back up the Logical Volume unto itself.
See the TSM 3.7 Technical Guide redbook, which as the introduction document
best describes the facility.

Of course, backing up with volume images means restoring volume images.
This is an exception to the TSM philosophy, for when volume images are
more appropriate or expedient, and where file selectivity is not important.
Sure, there is overhead with JFS, as with any file system on top of a
disk partition, but it's value added.

As always, approach Backup on the basis of how you would need to Restore:
do not evaluate Backup methods independently.

   Richard Sims, BU



Re: Tivoli vs Arcserve 2000

2001-09-07 Thread PINNI, BALANAND (SBCSI)

In arc serv u need not use BMR as in tivoli.

-Original Message-
From: Scott G Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 8:56 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Tivoli vs Arcserve 2000


I know that I probably should do this, but I can't help myself.

I am trying (or being forced to)defend my decision to use Tivoli over
Arcserve.  What are my reasons again?  I have been pitching Tivoli and
rolling it out with goos success to a Netware and NT environment that
consists os about 4TB of data over about 85 nodes.  Everything was good
untill I got to Exchange 2000 and everybody wanted message level restore
like Arcserve and Commvault.  Also Microsoft has a bug that of course
only affects Tivoli (memory leak).  If it sounds like I am wining then I
probably am.

I guess my question is...   does anyone have any pros or cons for Tivoli
over Arcserve?  My Exchange environment is a two server cluster on a
Compaq SAN.  It has two storage groups right now one at 127g and the
other at 192g.  There are plans  to break them out into smaller stores
(around 50g each).

Any help in the form of suggestions would be helpfull.

thank you

Scott Davis



scheduler missed

2001-09-07 Thread Guan, Phillip

Hello all,

Our OS system engineer has a cron job to move the dsmsched.log to another
name every morning at 6:00AM, the node is scheduled to run at 3:15AM and it
takes about 20 minutes. This morning at 8:30, I found the node missed backup
and cannot find out the moved dsmsched.log file and there is no dsmsched.log
file either. The dsmerror.log has yesterday's data. Is there anyway to find
out the problem? Will it cause any problem for TSM if the existed
dsmsched.log is missing (moved)?

Appreciated your help.

Best regards,
Phillip Guan



FW: scheduler missed

2001-09-07 Thread Guan, Phillip

Hi all,

Just add more info about my issue:
1. The scheduler daemon is still running.
2. The server activity log shows it tried to contact the client node and
finally missed the startup window.
3. The node's backup ran successfully yesterday.

Thanks for any help.
Phillip
>  -Original Message-
> From: Guan, Phillip
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 10:14 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  scheduler missed
>
> Hello all,
>
> Our OS system engineer has a cron job to move the dsmsched.log to another
> name every morning at 6:00AM, the node is scheduled to run at 3:15AM and
> it takes about 20 minutes. This morning at 8:30, I found the node missed
> backup and cannot find out the moved dsmsched.log file and there is no
> dsmsched.log file either. The dsmerror.log has yesterday's data. Is there
> anyway to find out the problem? Will it cause any problem for TSM if the
> existed dsmsched.log is missing (moved)?
>
> Appreciated your help.
>
> Best regards,
> Phillip Guan
>



Re: scheduler missed

2001-09-07 Thread PINNI, BALANAND (SBCSI)

What is the randomisation  set to ?u can set it to Zero.

-Original Message-
From: Guan, Phillip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:14 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: scheduler missed


Hello all,

Our OS system engineer has a cron job to move the dsmsched.log to another
name every morning at 6:00AM, the node is scheduled to run at 3:15AM and it
takes about 20 minutes. This morning at 8:30, I found the node missed backup
and cannot find out the moved dsmsched.log file and there is no dsmsched.log
file either. The dsmerror.log has yesterday's data. Is there anyway to find
out the problem? Will it cause any problem for TSM if the existed
dsmsched.log is missing (moved)?

Appreciated your help.

Best regards,
Phillip Guan



Re: scheduler missed

2001-09-07 Thread Prather, Wanda

It won't cause TSM any problem if dsmsched.log is missing, it just creates a
new one.

-Original Message-
From: Guan, Phillip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 10:32 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FW: scheduler missed


Hi all,

Just add more info about my issue:
1. The scheduler daemon is still running.
2. The server activity log shows it tried to contact the client node and
finally missed the startup window.
3. The node's backup ran successfully yesterday.

Thanks for any help.
Phillip
>  -Original Message-
> From: Guan, Phillip
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 10:14 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  scheduler missed
>
> Hello all,
>
> Our OS system engineer has a cron job to move the dsmsched.log to another
> name every morning at 6:00AM, the node is scheduled to run at 3:15AM and
> it takes about 20 minutes. This morning at 8:30, I found the node missed
> backup and cannot find out the moved dsmsched.log file and there is no
> dsmsched.log file either. The dsmerror.log has yesterday's data. Is there
> anyway to find out the problem? Will it cause any problem for TSM if the
> existed dsmsched.log is missing (moved)?
>
> Appreciated your help.
>
> Best regards,
> Phillip Guan
>



No Subject

2001-09-07 Thread Sandeep Tyagi

Hello,

Which environment variable we have to set in order to set the values of
MAXOBJ(for 3.7) and TSMMAXOBJ(for 4.x) in XBSA API?

Actually I am in the process of recertification of TSM  4.2on AIX.  "butc"
is  our program  which uses  XBSA - API's. When I started butc with
appropriate options it returned failure with the following message
 xbsa_Initialize: The XBSAGetEnvironment
call failed to return the MAXOBJ string
I want to know which environment variable I will have to set in order to
get this MAXOBJ variable set  and where ( i.e. is there any specific
location/file).

thanks

   Sandeep K Tyagi
   IBM Global Services, INDIA
   Shanker Sheth Road , Pune - 411 001
   Tel +91-20-6349724  Extn. 1379



What's a Kilobyte, in TSM terms?

2001-09-07 Thread Lindsay Morris

Of course it's 1024.  But some applications, esp storage-related, like to
use 1000 (and 1,000,000 for MB, etc.)
What does TSM use? Anybody know for sure?
-
Mr. Lindsay Morris
Principal
Applied System Design
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Office: 859-253-8000
   Fax: 425-988-8478



Re: Backup of EMC

2001-09-07 Thread rh

I'll bite, what's NDMP?

Rod Hroblak
ADP
--- "Joshua S. Bassi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can you say NDMP?  Available Sept 29th on Windows
> and who knows when for
> UNIX TSM servers.
>
>
> --
> Joshua S. Bassi
> Independent IT Consultant
> IBM Certified - AIX/HACMP, SAN, Shark
> Tivoli Certified Consultant- ADSM/TSM
> Cell (408)&(831) 332-4006
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> Jeff Bach
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 10:48 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Backup of EMC
>
> IBM people,
>
> How does IBM/Tivoli plan to provide
> for this need in
> order
> to prevent customer from being required to implement
> hardware vendor
> solutions such as EDM to backup this data?   The
> competition is direct
> fiber
> attaching to the data and backing it up.
>
>
> Jeff Bach
> Home Office Open Systems Engineering
> Wal-Mart Stores, Inc.
>
> WAL-MART CONFIDENTIAL
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From:   Michael Bartl
> [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent:   Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:01 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:Re: Backup of EMC
>
> Mahesh,
> on NAS boxes like CLARiiON or NETAPP you
> won't find a
> backup/archive
> client that runs directly on the machine.
> To get your backup done just use another
> machine in your LAN
> that
> has
> enough network bandwith available to both
> the NAS box and the
> TSM
> server.
> On WinNT you can use the UNC-Name in
> dsm.opt:
> DOMAIN  \\NASBOX\SHARE
>
> With Unix you have to define a mountpoint
> for the tree you want
> to
> backup. Then you put the mountpoint into
> your optionfile.
>
> Good luck,
> Michael Bartl
>
> Office of Technology, IT Germany/Austria
> Cable & Wireless Deutschland GmbH.
> Landsberger Str. 155Tel.: +49 89
> 92699-806
> 80687 Muenchen  Fax.: +49 89
> 92699-302
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.de.cw.com
>
> Mahesh Tailor wrote:
> >
> > Hello, everyone.
> >
> > A group in our department just received an
> EMC CLARiiON
> system.
> On this system is a filesystem that I need to
> backup.  How can this be
> done?
> I have never dealt with this beast.
> >
> > 3466 Network Storage Manager running TSM
> v3.7.4 and AIX 4.3.2.
> >
> > Thanks for any help and advice in advance.
> >
> > Mahesh Tailor
> > WAN/NetView/TSM Administrator
> > Carilion Health System
> > Voice: 540-224-3929
> > Fax: 540-224-3954
>
>
>
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Re: Licensing Server Components

2001-09-07 Thread Andrew Raibeck

Did you check the REGISTER LICENSE command syntax in the TSM
Administrator's Reference? It has the syntax and tells you the .lic file
names (in your ..\TSM\server directory) you need to use.

Regards,

Andy

Andy Raibeck
IBM Tivoli Systems
Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/IBM@IBMUS
Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked.
The command line is your friend.
"Good enough" is the enemy of excellence.




"Mills, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
09/07/2001 08:24
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cc:
Subject:Licensing Server Components



All,
   I just bought a copy of TDP for MS Exchange and
I need to license it for the TSM server.  How do I
do that?  I understand I need to REGISTER LICENSE ,
but the TDP disk doesn't have a .lic file on it.
Do I need to edit one of my current .lic files?

John T. Mills
AIX System Administrator
Purina Mills
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(314) 768-4719



No Subject

2001-09-07 Thread Sandeep Tyagi

Hello,

  Can anubody please tell me the location from where I can download the
binaries of  TSM client 4.2 for AIX 5.1 ?

   Sandeep K Tyagi



Licensing Server Components

2001-09-07 Thread Mills, John

All,
   I just bought a copy of TDP for MS Exchange and
I need to license it for the TSM server.  How do I
do that?  I understand I need to REGISTER LICENSE ,
but the TDP disk doesn't have a .lic file on it.
Do I need to edit one of my current .lic files?

John T. Mills
AIX System Administrator
Purina Mills
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(314) 768-4719



Re: Licensing Server Components

2001-09-07 Thread Mills, John

Thanks!  That did the trick.

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Raibeck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 10:34 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Licensing Server Components


Did you check the REGISTER LICENSE command syntax in the TSM
Administrator's Reference? It has the syntax and tells you the .lic file
names (in your ..\TSM\server directory) you need to use.

Regards,

Andy

Andy Raibeck
IBM Tivoli Systems
Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/IBM@IBMUS
Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked.
The command line is your friend.
"Good enough" is the enemy of excellence.




"Mills, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
09/07/2001 08:24
Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager"


To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc:
Subject:Licensing Server Components



All,
   I just bought a copy of TDP for MS Exchange and
I need to license it for the TSM server.  How do I
do that?  I understand I need to REGISTER LICENSE ,
but the TDP disk doesn't have a .lic file on it.
Do I need to edit one of my current .lic files?

John T. Mills
AIX System Administrator
Purina Mills
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(314) 768-4719



Re: TSM client 4.2 for AIX 5.1

2001-09-07 Thread Richard Sims

>  Can anubody please tell me the location from where I can download the
>binaries of  TSM client 4.2 for AIX 5.1 ?

http://www.tivoli.com/support/storage_mgr/adclaix.htm
says that the 4.2 client should work under AIX 5L,
but the corresponding TSM420_README.AIX43 file inconsistently fails to
reflect this.

  Richard Sims, BU



TDP for Oracle question

2001-09-07 Thread Thiha Than

hi,

Yes it should.  But I recommend using 2.1.10 (fixtest 1).  You can
download it from

ftp://service.boulder.ibm.com/storage/tivoli-storage-management/patches/tivoli-data-protection/oracle

regards,
Thiha


>Does anyone know if Oracle 8.1.7 works with TDP for Oracle v2.1.9.

>Tia



Re: New Server and Disk Pools

2001-09-07 Thread PINNI, BALANAND (SBCSI)

Use RAID 1+0 FOR PERF AND AVILABILITY.

-Original Message-
From: Martin JF (DTI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:14 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New Server and Disk Pools


Hi,

We do RAID on our TSM server. RAID-5 for DiskPools, RAID-1 for DB et RECLOG.
By using RAID, we don't mirror our database because this become redundant.

JF Martin

-Original Message-
From: Stephen A. Cochran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 4-Sep-01 9:56 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: New Server and Disk Pools


I'm specing out a new server, and I'm wondering about disk pools. How do you
recover from a disk failure on a disk pool? Do people use RAID on their disk
pools?

This server is for a new project to back up distributed clients all around
campus.

Steve Cochran
Dartmouth College



Re: Backup of EMC

2001-09-07 Thread Joshua S. Bassi

NDMP = Network Data Management Protocol

In short it is a way to backup NAS filers.


--
Joshua S. Bassi
Independent IT Consultant
IBM Certified - AIX/HACMP, SAN, Shark
Tivoli Certified Consultant- ADSM/TSM
Cell (408)&(831) 332-4006
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
rh
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 8:19 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Backup of EMC

I'll bite, what's NDMP?

Rod Hroblak
ADP
--- "Joshua S. Bassi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can you say NDMP?  Available Sept 29th on Windows
> and who knows when for
> UNIX TSM servers.
>
>
> --
> Joshua S. Bassi
> Independent IT Consultant
> IBM Certified - AIX/HACMP, SAN, Shark
> Tivoli Certified Consultant- ADSM/TSM
> Cell (408)&(831) 332-4006
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> Jeff Bach
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 10:48 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Backup of EMC
>
> IBM people,
>
> How does IBM/Tivoli plan to provide
> for this need in
> order
> to prevent customer from being required to implement
> hardware vendor
> solutions such as EDM to backup this data?   The
> competition is direct
> fiber
> attaching to the data and backing it up.
>
>
> Jeff Bach
> Home Office Open Systems Engineering
> Wal-Mart Stores, Inc.
>
> WAL-MART CONFIDENTIAL
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From:   Michael Bartl
> [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent:   Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:01 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:Re: Backup of EMC
>
> Mahesh,
> on NAS boxes like CLARiiON or NETAPP you
> won't find a
> backup/archive
> client that runs directly on the machine.
> To get your backup done just use another
> machine in your LAN
> that
> has
> enough network bandwith available to both
> the NAS box and the
> TSM
> server.
> On WinNT you can use the UNC-Name in
> dsm.opt:
> DOMAIN  \\NASBOX\SHARE
>
> With Unix you have to define a mountpoint
> for the tree you want
> to
> backup. Then you put the mountpoint into
> your optionfile.
>
> Good luck,
> Michael Bartl
>
> Office of Technology, IT Germany/Austria
> Cable & Wireless Deutschland GmbH.
> Landsberger Str. 155Tel.: +49 89
> 92699-806
> 80687 Muenchen  Fax.: +49 89
> 92699-302
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.de.cw.com
>
> Mahesh Tailor wrote:
> >
> > Hello, everyone.
> >
> > A group in our department just received an
> EMC CLARiiON
> system.
> On this system is a filesystem that I need to
> backup.  How can this be
> done?
> I have never dealt with this beast.
> >
> > 3466 Network Storage Manager running TSM
> v3.7.4 and AIX 4.3.2.
> >
> > Thanks for any help and advice in advance.
> >
> > Mahesh Tailor
> > WAN/NetView/TSM Administrator
> > Carilion Health System
> > Voice: 540-224-3929
> > Fax: 540-224-3954
>
>
>
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Re: What's a Kilobyte, in TSM terms?

2001-09-07 Thread Richard Sims

>Of course it's 1024.  But some applications, esp storage-related, like to
>use 1000 (and 1,000,000 for MB, etc.)
>What does TSM use? Anybody know for sure?

Lindsay - It is typically only disk drive manufacturers that express a
  kilobyte as 1,000 bytes.  Software and tape drive makers
typically use a 1,024 value.  The TSM Admin Ref manual glossary, and
the 3590 Hardware Reference manual, for example, both define a kilobyte
as 1,024.

   Richard Sims, BU



Re: New Server and Disk Pools

2001-09-07 Thread Jeff Bach

How many multi processor clients do you run on one server with this setup?

> -Original Message-
> From: PINNI, BALANAND (SBCSI) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 10:43 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: New Server and Disk Pools
> Importance:   High
>
> Use RAID 1+0 FOR PERF AND AVILABILITY.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Martin JF (DTI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:14 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: New Server and Disk Pools
>
>
> Hi,
>
> We do RAID on our TSM server. RAID-5 for DiskPools, RAID-1 for DB et
> RECLOG.
> By using RAID, we don't mirror our database because this become redundant.
>
> JF Martin
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephen A. Cochran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 4-Sep-01 9:56 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: New Server and Disk Pools
>
>
> I'm specing out a new server, and I'm wondering about disk pools. How do
> you
> recover from a disk failure on a disk pool? Do people use RAID on their
> disk
> pools?
>
> This server is for a new project to back up distributed clients all around
> campus.
>
> Steve Cochran
> Dartmouth College


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Re: Backup of EMC

2001-09-07 Thread Richard Sims

>I'll bite, what's NDMP?

NDMPNetwork Data Management Protocol.
NDMP provides a protocol framework for
data management in a multi-vendor data
server environment. By defining a
networked protocol that abstracts data
management application functionality
from data service providers, NDMP
minimizes the administrative management
logic that resides on data servers and
allows interoperability with a variety
of data management solutions.
See: www.ndmp.org

 Richard Sims, BU



Re: TSM NT Performance Statistics - Help Please

2001-09-07 Thread Rajesh Oak

Tony,
What version of TSM  are you working on? Have you implemented TSM mirroring for db or 
log?
That would give us a better picture of your setup.

Rajesh Oak
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 MORGAN TONY wrote:
>Hi Everyone in the World (Don't want to miss anyone and offend them!!),
>
>I am currently trying to improve performance on my NT only TSM backups and
>need to see what other sites are achieving as throughput.
>
>If you have an NT environment similar to mine, I would appreciate the
>results from the following QUERY statement on your server.  Plus general
>config details as shown...
>
>Many thanks for taking the time to read this and for taking part.
>If you would like a copy of my research, please ask.
>
>If I get enough feedback, we could get a rough idea of the effect that
>different configurations affect performance.  I am aware that there are many
>other variables, but this is a start!!
>
>If someone has already done this *** eg. Tivoli *** please,please let me
>know.
>
>Best Regards
>
>Tony Morgan
>Fortis Bank UK
>London
>
>~~
>
>My environment is 38 NT clients, one of which is a large file server (+-
>40GB daily incremental), the rest are +- 43 GB Daily incremental total.
>
>Query
>~
>
 query actlog begind=-7 search=ANE496
>
>You may want to strip nodenames for your security.
>
>Config details Example
>~~
>
>Server Type -   Compaq PL3000
>Processor No/Type/Speed -   2x PII 350Mhz
>Disk Array  -   Raid 5 soft partitioned
>Backup Destination Stg  -   Disk (or Tape or ?)
>Tape Device -   DLT7000
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Re: New Server and Disk Pools

2001-09-07 Thread Martin JF (DTI)

Hi,

We do RAID on our TSM server. RAID-5 for DiskPools, RAID-1 for DB et RECLOG.
By using RAID, we don't mirror our database because this become redundant.

JF Martin

-Original Message-
From: Stephen A. Cochran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 4-Sep-01 9:56 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: New Server and Disk Pools


I'm specing out a new server, and I'm wondering about disk pools. How do you
recover from a disk failure on a disk pool? Do people use RAID on their disk
pools?

This server is for a new project to back up distributed clients all around
campus.

Steve Cochran
Dartmouth College



Re: New Server and Disk Pools

2001-09-07 Thread Joshua S. Bassi

RAID-1 = mirroring


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From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
Martin JF (DTI)
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 7:14 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New Server and Disk Pools

Hi,

We do RAID on our TSM server. RAID-5 for DiskPools, RAID-1 for DB et
RECLOG.
By using RAID, we don't mirror our database because this become
redundant.

JF Martin

-Original Message-
From: Stephen A. Cochran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 4-Sep-01 9:56 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: New Server and Disk Pools


I'm specing out a new server, and I'm wondering about disk pools. How do
you
recover from a disk failure on a disk pool? Do people use RAID on their
disk
pools?

This server is for a new project to back up distributed clients all
around
campus.

Steve Cochran
Dartmouth College



Re: schedmode: polling vs. prompting

2001-09-07 Thread Joshua S. Bassi

One of the reasons I always use server prompted is because it is the
only scheduling mode that support "immediate client actions" which can
come in handy sometimes.


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From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 10:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: schedmode: polling vs. prompting

I think Prompted works better and is more reliable.
Then again some else might have have another opinion.

Rajesh Oak

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>Which client schedmode -- polling or prompting -- is the better
practical
>choice for a large TSM environment of 300+ clients?
>We would welcome any thoughts or suggestions on the relative
>merits/drawbacks of either mode.
>Thanks in advance.
>
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Re: New Server and Disk Pools

2001-09-07 Thread Jeff Bach

How many clients ... 300 ... 50 ... 100   will backup to this ADSM instance
with a striped database setup?
Jeff Bach

> -Original Message-
> From: PINNI, BALANAND (SBCSI) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 11:29 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: New Server and Disk Pools
> Importance:   Low
>
> S-80 IBM SYSTEMS
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff Bach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 11:21 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: New Server and Disk Pools
>
>
> How many multi processor clients do you run on one server with this setup?
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: PINNI, BALANAND (SBCSI) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 10:43 AM
> > To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject:  Re: New Server and Disk Pools
> > Importance:   High
> >
> > Use RAID 1+0 FOR PERF AND AVILABILITY.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Martin JF (DTI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:14 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: New Server and Disk Pools
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > We do RAID on our TSM server. RAID-5 for DiskPools, RAID-1 for DB et
> > RECLOG.
> > By using RAID, we don't mirror our database because this become
> redundant.
> >
> > JF Martin
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Stephen A. Cochran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 4-Sep-01 9:56 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: New Server and Disk Pools
> >
> >
> > I'm specing out a new server, and I'm wondering about disk pools. How do
> > you
> > recover from a disk failure on a disk pool? Do people use RAID on their
> > disk
> > pools?
> >
> > This server is for a new project to back up distributed clients all
> around
> > campus.
> >
> > Steve Cochran
> > Dartmouth College
>
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Re: New Server and Disk Pools

2001-09-07 Thread PINNI, BALANAND (SBCSI)

S-80 IBM SYSTEMS

-Original Message-
From: Jeff Bach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 11:21 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New Server and Disk Pools


How many multi processor clients do you run on one server with this setup?

> -Original Message-
> From: PINNI, BALANAND (SBCSI) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 10:43 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: New Server and Disk Pools
> Importance:   High
>
> Use RAID 1+0 FOR PERF AND AVILABILITY.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Martin JF (DTI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:14 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: New Server and Disk Pools
>
>
> Hi,
>
> We do RAID on our TSM server. RAID-5 for DiskPools, RAID-1 for DB et
> RECLOG.
> By using RAID, we don't mirror our database because this become redundant.
>
> JF Martin
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephen A. Cochran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 4-Sep-01 9:56 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: New Server and Disk Pools
>
>
> I'm specing out a new server, and I'm wondering about disk pools. How do
> you
> recover from a disk failure on a disk pool? Do people use RAID on their
> disk
> pools?
>
> This server is for a new project to back up distributed clients all around
> campus.
>
> Steve Cochran
> Dartmouth College


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Re: New Server and Disk Pools

2001-09-07 Thread PINNI, BALANAND (SBCSI)

Sorry for that .
Why this limitation?
I have 40 clients.

-Original Message-
From: Jeff Bach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 12:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New Server and Disk Pools


How many clients ... 300 ... 50 ... 100   will backup to this ADSM instance
with a striped database setup?
Jeff Bach

> -Original Message-
> From: PINNI, BALANAND (SBCSI) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 11:29 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: New Server and Disk Pools
> Importance:   Low
>
> S-80 IBM SYSTEMS
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff Bach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 11:21 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: New Server and Disk Pools
>
>
> How many multi processor clients do you run on one server with this setup?
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: PINNI, BALANAND (SBCSI) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 10:43 AM
> > To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject:  Re: New Server and Disk Pools
> > Importance:   High
> >
> > Use RAID 1+0 FOR PERF AND AVILABILITY.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Martin JF (DTI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:14 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: New Server and Disk Pools
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > We do RAID on our TSM server. RAID-5 for DiskPools, RAID-1 for DB et
> > RECLOG.
> > By using RAID, we don't mirror our database because this become
> redundant.
> >
> > JF Martin
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Stephen A. Cochran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 4-Sep-01 9:56 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: New Server and Disk Pools
> >
> >
> > I'm specing out a new server, and I'm wondering about disk pools. How do
> > you
> > recover from a disk failure on a disk pool? Do people use RAID on their
> > disk
> > pools?
> >
> > This server is for a new project to back up distributed clients all
> around
> > campus.
> >
> > Steve Cochran
> > Dartmouth College
>
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Re: ESS and Flashcopy for backups

2001-09-07 Thread Kavita Shah

Hi Bill,

If you are trying to backup an Oracle database that resides on an ESS [to
TSM] using flashcopy, then you may want to consider using a product that
does this for you. It is called TDP for ESS for Oracle, is available on
AIX, and takes care of the Oracle/ESS/AIX/TSM steps for you. This is a
product that GAed in the first quarter of this year. Regards

Kavita Shah
IBM Corporation
=
- Message from William Boyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Thu, 6 Sep 2001
15:26:04 -0400 -
Subject:
ESS and Flashcopy for backups
Anyone out there using Flashcopy on an ESS for backups?

If so, could you contact me offline about your procedures? I'm at
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Bill Boyer



Command Output in the Activity log

2001-09-07 Thread Matthew Large

> Hi all,
>
> While I was trawling through a customers activity log, it occured to me
> that my job would be much easier if the output of all the admin commands
> and select statements entered at the command line and web interface was
> included in the activity log. Does anyone agree with me? If you do, I may
> make a design change request to IBM/Tivoli to include this option. And, as
> usual, the more, the merrier, the better chance we have of getting our
> way!
>
> Thanks *smers
>
>
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Re: Command Output in the Activity log

2001-09-07 Thread Prather, Wanda

Not for selects!
What if someone does SELECT * FROM BACKUPS, just to find out the appropriate
field names?


-Original Message-
From: Matthew Large [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 10:31 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Command Output in the Activity log


> Hi all,
>
> While I was trawling through a customers activity log, it occured to me
> that my job would be much easier if the output of all the admin commands
> and select statements entered at the command line and web interface was
> included in the activity log. Does anyone agree with me? If you do, I may
> make a design change request to IBM/Tivoli to include this option. And, as
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Re: New Server and Disk Pools

2001-09-07 Thread Jeff Bach

The two largest instances of ADSM I have backup 250 full size clients (N, L
class HP, H80, M50, mulitple processor NT)

I have never found a great way to compare database setups.  # of clients is
somewhat valid ...

What limitation do you speak of?

Jeff Bach

> -Original Message-
> From: PINNI, BALANAND (SBCSI) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 12:29 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: New Server and Disk Pools
> Importance:   High
>
> Sorry for that .
> Why this limitation?
> I have 40 clients.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff Bach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 12:00 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: New Server and Disk Pools
>
>
> How many clients ... 300 ... 50 ... 100   will backup to this ADSM
> instance
> with a striped database setup?
> Jeff Bach
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: PINNI, BALANAND (SBCSI) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 11:29 AM
> > To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject:  Re: New Server and Disk Pools
> > Importance:   Low
> >
> > S-80 IBM SYSTEMS
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jeff Bach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 11:21 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: New Server and Disk Pools
> >
> >
> > How many multi processor clients do you run on one server with this
> setup?
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: PINNI, BALANAND (SBCSI) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 10:43 AM
> > > To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject:  Re: New Server and Disk Pools
> > > Importance:   High
> > >
> > > Use RAID 1+0 FOR PERF AND AVILABILITY.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Martin JF (DTI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:14 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: New Server and Disk Pools
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > We do RAID on our TSM server. RAID-5 for DiskPools, RAID-1 for DB et
> > > RECLOG.
> > > By using RAID, we don't mirror our database because this become
> > redundant.
> > >
> > > JF Martin
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Stephen A. Cochran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: 4-Sep-01 9:56 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: New Server and Disk Pools
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm specing out a new server, and I'm wondering about disk pools. How
> do
> > > you
> > > recover from a disk failure on a disk pool? Do people use RAID on
> their
> > > disk
> > > pools?
> > >
> > > This server is for a new project to back up distributed clients all
> > around
> > > campus.
> > >
> > > Steve Cochran
> > > Dartmouth College
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Re: Command Output in the Activity log

2001-09-07 Thread Cook, Dwight E

Uhmmm I don't think you would want all that !
Could end up in an infinate loop ! ! !
what if you did a "q act begind=-7 endd=today"
if all the output were put in the log, you have just increased your activity
log (space occupied in your db) by the last 7 days.  If you only keep 7
days, you've just doubled it !
AND this specific  "q act" type action could result in looping if you are
listing what is in the log and what you are listing is being dumped into the
log... :-O

just my 2 cents worth...

Dwight

-Original Message-
From: Matthew Large [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 8:56 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Command Output in the Activity log


Hi all,

While I was trawling through a customers activity log, it occured to me that
my job would be much easier if the output of all the admin commands and
select statements entered at the command line and web interface was included
in the activity log. Does anyone agree with me? If you do, I may make a
design change request to IBM/Tivoli to include this option. And, as usual,
the more, the merrier, the better chance we have of getting our way!

Thanks *smers


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Authoritative Restore on W2K

2001-09-07 Thread taford

Has anyone successfully done an authoritative restore using 4.1.2.12 of TSM
on W2K?

-Tim



Re: What's a Kilobyte, in TSM terms?

2001-09-07 Thread Andrew Raibeck

Well, there is always the "try it and see" method of getting an answer
  :-)

But to answer your question: if you specify 100K, you will get 102,400
byte files.

In general, we 1,024 bytes = 1 KB.

Regards,

Andy

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Thanks, Richard.
But I was hoping for an authoritative answer from Tivoli.
Maybe I should rephrase the question:
If I say:
define devcl file devtype=file maxcap=100K
Then what's the maximum amount of data I can store there: 100,000 or
102,400
?


> -Original Message-
> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Richard Sims
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 12:03 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: What's a Kilobyte, in TSM terms?
>
>
> >Of course it's 1024.  But some applications, esp storage-related, like
to
> >use 1000 (and 1,000,000 for MB, etc.)
> >What does TSM use? Anybody know for sure?
>
> Lindsay - It is typically only disk drive manufacturers that express a
>   kilobyte as 1,000 bytes.  Software and tape drive makers
> typically use a 1,024 value.  The TSM Admin Ref manual glossary, and
> the 3590 Hardware Reference manual, for example, both define a kilobyte
> as 1,024.
>
>Richard Sims, BU
>



Command Output in the Activity log

2001-09-07 Thread Matthew Large

Hi all,

While I was trawling through a customers activity log, it occured to me that
my job would be much easier if the output of all the admin commands and
select statements entered at the command line and web interface was included
in the activity log. Does anyone agree with me? If you do, I may make a
design change request to IBM/Tivoli to include this option. And, as usual,
the more, the merrier, the better chance we have of getting our way!

Thanks *smers


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Re: What's a Kilobyte, in TSM terms?

2001-09-07 Thread Lindsay Morris

Thanks, Andy. (Too lazy to try it... - knew you'd be there for me  :-}  )

> -Original Message-
> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Andrew Raibeck
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 1:57 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: What's a Kilobyte, in TSM terms?
>
>
> Well, there is always the "try it and see" method of getting an answer
>   :-)
>
> But to answer your question: if you specify 100K, you will get 102,400
> byte files.
>
> In general, we 1,024 bytes = 1 KB.
>
> Regards,
>
> Andy
>
> Andy Raibeck
> IBM Tivoli Systems
> Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
> Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/IBM@IBMUS
> Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked.
> The command line is your friend.
> "Good enough" is the enemy of excellence.
>
>
>
>
> Lindsay Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 09/07/2001 10:22
> Please respond to lmorris
>
>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> cc:
> Subject:Re: What's a Kilobyte, in TSM terms?
>
>
>
> Thanks, Richard.
> But I was hoping for an authoritative answer from Tivoli.
> Maybe I should rephrase the question:
> If I say:
> define devcl file devtype=file maxcap=100K
> Then what's the maximum amount of data I can store there: 100,000 or
> 102,400
> ?
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Richard Sims
> > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 12:03 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: What's a Kilobyte, in TSM terms?
> >
> >
> > >Of course it's 1024.  But some applications, esp storage-related, like
> to
> > >use 1000 (and 1,000,000 for MB, etc.)
> > >What does TSM use? Anybody know for sure?
> >
> > Lindsay - It is typically only disk drive manufacturers that express a
> >   kilobyte as 1,000 bytes.  Software and tape drive makers
> > typically use a 1,024 value.  The TSM Admin Ref manual glossary, and
> > the 3590 Hardware Reference manual, for example, both define a kilobyte
> > as 1,024.
> >
> >Richard Sims, BU
> >
>



Re: What's a Kilobyte, in TSM terms?

2001-09-07 Thread Lindsay Morris

Thanks, Richard.
But I was hoping for an authoritative answer from Tivoli.
Maybe I should rephrase the question:
If I say:
define devcl file devtype=file maxcap=100K
Then what's the maximum amount of data I can store there: 100,000 or 102,400
?


> -Original Message-
> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Richard Sims
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 12:03 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: What's a Kilobyte, in TSM terms?
>
>
> >Of course it's 1024.  But some applications, esp storage-related, like to
> >use 1000 (and 1,000,000 for MB, etc.)
> >What does TSM use? Anybody know for sure?
>
> Lindsay - It is typically only disk drive manufacturers that express a
>   kilobyte as 1,000 bytes.  Software and tape drive makers
> typically use a 1,024 value.  The TSM Admin Ref manual glossary, and
> the 3590 Hardware Reference manual, for example, both define a kilobyte
> as 1,024.
>
>Richard Sims, BU
>



Re: New Server and Disk Pools

2001-09-07 Thread PINNI, BALANAND (SBCSI)

This is only with one server.There are several servers with several clients
in this environment.

I think what should matter is db size that not only depends on no: of
clients,but also on amount of data changed
during backup.There is a formula in Tivoli Implementation Red Book.
I also use EMC Semmetrix where u don't require even to mirror/stripping.
Its has disk cache which brings back all the data back ,in case of disk
failure.With remote disk monitoring.
Secondly it has BCVs which can recover immediately.
Recovery over network is also possible.

This is what I know that's all.

-Original Message-
From: Jeff Bach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 12:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New Server and Disk Pools


The two largest instances of ADSM I have backup 250 full size clients (N, L
class HP, H80, M50, mulitple processor NT)

I have never found a great way to compare database setups.  # of clients is
somewhat valid ...

What limitation do you speak of?

Jeff Bach

> -Original Message-
> From: PINNI, BALANAND (SBCSI) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 12:29 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: New Server and Disk Pools
> Importance:   High
>
> Sorry for that .
> Why this limitation?
> I have 40 clients.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff Bach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 12:00 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: New Server and Disk Pools
>
>
> How many clients ... 300 ... 50 ... 100   will backup to this ADSM
> instance
> with a striped database setup?
> Jeff Bach
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: PINNI, BALANAND (SBCSI) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 11:29 AM
> > To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject:  Re: New Server and Disk Pools
> > Importance:   Low
> >
> > S-80 IBM SYSTEMS
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jeff Bach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 11:21 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: New Server and Disk Pools
> >
> >
> > How many multi processor clients do you run on one server with this
> setup?
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: PINNI, BALANAND (SBCSI) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 10:43 AM
> > > To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject:  Re: New Server and Disk Pools
> > > Importance:   High
> > >
> > > Use RAID 1+0 FOR PERF AND AVILABILITY.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Martin JF (DTI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:14 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: New Server and Disk Pools
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > We do RAID on our TSM server. RAID-5 for DiskPools, RAID-1 for DB et
> > > RECLOG.
> > > By using RAID, we don't mirror our database because this become
> > redundant.
> > >
> > > JF Martin
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Stephen A. Cochran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: 4-Sep-01 9:56 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: New Server and Disk Pools
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm specing out a new server, and I'm wondering about disk pools. How
> do
> > > you
> > > recover from a disk failure on a disk pool? Do people use RAID on
> their
> > > disk
> > > pools?
> > >
> > > This server is for a new project to back up distributed clients all
> > around
> > > campus.
> > >
> > > Steve Cochran
> > > Dartmouth College
> >
> >
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AIX DB2 backup problem with 4.2.0 client

2001-09-07 Thread Zoltan Forray/AC/VCU

My AIX person wanted me to pass on the following error messages. We 
started getting these when we upgraded the client to 4.2.0 from 4.1.3 
(this was done to resolve some other issue. Not sure what !).

Any one see this one or have a clue what to do ?   Did not see anything in 
the readme's about an xlC issue ?

***

Client environment:
AIX 4.3.3
TSM 4.2.0
DB2 5.2.0.50
xlC.aix43.rte 4.0.2.1


In db2diag.log:

2001-09-02-07.00.25.338591   Instance:db2padm   Node:000
PID:36380(db2med.54700.0)   Appid:none
database_utilitiessqluMCInitBackupMC   Probe:385
Media Controller -- sqluInitVendorDevice() ! vendor device initialization 
error
2001-09-02-07.00.25.449152   Instance:db2padm   Node:000
PID:54700(db2agent (DB2PDWAR))   Appid:*LOCAL.db2padm.010902110017
database_utilitiessqlubMWResponse   Probe:10   Database:DB2PDWAR
DiagData
 f7e9 ÿÿ÷é


2001-09-02-07.00.28.081967   Instance:db2padm   Node:000
PID:54700(db2agent (DB2PDWAR))   Appid:*LOCAL.db2padm.010902110017
database_utilitiessqlubcka   Probe:0   Database:DB2PDWAR

Backup terminated.


$ db2adutl
exec(): 0509-036 Cannot load program db2adutl because of the following 
errors:
0509-022 Cannot load module /usr/lib/libApiDS.a(dsmapish.o).
0509-150   Dependent module 
/usr/lpp/db2_05_00/.rtelib/libC.a(shr2.o) could not be loaded.
0509-152   Member shr2.o is not found in archive


===
Zoltan Forray
Virginia Commonwealth University
University Computing Center
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
voice: 804-828-4807



Re: AIX DB2 backup problem with 4.2.0 client

2001-09-07 Thread Francisco Molero

Hi,
I am not sure if TSM support DB2 version 5 and TSM API
version 4.2. In any case TSM 4.2 can work with API
4.1.3. Then you need to uninstall the api and install
the former version.
Fran


--- Zoltan Forray/AC/VCU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My AIX person wanted me to pass on the following
> error messages. We
> started getting these when we upgraded the client to
> 4.2.0 from 4.1.3
> (this was done to resolve some other issue. Not sure
> what !).
>
> Any one see this one or have a clue what to do ?
> Did not see anything in
> the readme's about an xlC issue ?
>
>
***
>
> Client environment:
> AIX 4.3.3
> TSM 4.2.0
> DB2 5.2.0.50
> xlC.aix43.rte 4.0.2.1
>
>
> In db2diag.log:
>
> 2001-09-02-07.00.25.338591   Instance:db2padm
> Node:000
> PID:36380(db2med.54700.0)   Appid:none
> database_utilitiessqluMCInitBackupMC   Probe:385
> Media Controller -- sqluInitVendorDevice() ! vendor
> device initialization
> error
> 2001-09-02-07.00.25.449152   Instance:db2padm
> Node:000
> PID:54700(db2agent (DB2PDWAR))
> Appid:*LOCAL.db2padm.010902110017
> database_utilitiessqlubMWResponse   Probe:10
> Database:DB2PDWAR
> DiagData
>  f7e9   wi
>
>
> 2001-09-02-07.00.28.081967   Instance:db2padm
> Node:000
> PID:54700(db2agent (DB2PDWAR))
> Appid:*LOCAL.db2padm.010902110017
> database_utilitiessqlubcka   Probe:0
> Database:DB2PDWAR
>
> Backup terminated.
>
>
> $ db2adutl
> exec(): 0509-036 Cannot load program db2adutl
> because of the following
> errors:
> 0509-022 Cannot load module
> /usr/lib/libApiDS.a(dsmapish.o).
> 0509-150   Dependent module
> /usr/lpp/db2_05_00/.rtelib/libC.a(shr2.o) could not
> be loaded.
> 0509-152   Member shr2.o is not found in
> archive
>
>
> ===
> Zoltan Forray
> Virginia Commonwealth University
> University Computing Center
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> voice: 804-828-4807


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Re: New Server and Disk Pools

2001-09-07 Thread Boireau, Eric (MED)

For more than 1000 Clients :
Server HP LX8500r 8xPIII 700 2MB, 4GB Ram, Lan 1Gb/s, W2K Adv, STKL700 6xDLT
(LTO in future), 6 Diff Scsi Channel
Disk :  OS :2x18GB  RAID 1
DB+Log :6x18GB  RAID 5
DISKPOOL :  6x18GB  RAID 5
Each Raid Volume is on dedicated SCSI Channel on RAID Card with 128MB Ram
and (Write Back is active)

Salutations / Best Regards 
gGE Medical Systems 
___ 
Eric Boireau   Global Systems 
Server Architect / Technology & Infrastructure Team

GE Medical Systems S.A 
283, rue de la Minière 
78533 BUC Cedex France 
Tél: (33) 1 30 70 39 32,  DC: 8*644 3932 
Fax: (33) 1 30 70 42 30, DC: 8*644 3930 
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-Original Message-
From: PINNI, BALANAND (SBCSI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 7:29 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New Server and Disk Pools
Importance: High


Sorry for that .
Why this limitation?
I have 40 clients.

-Original Message-
From: Jeff Bach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 12:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New Server and Disk Pools


How many clients ... 300 ... 50 ... 100   will backup to this ADSM instance
with a striped database setup?
Jeff Bach

> -Original Message-
> From: PINNI, BALANAND (SBCSI) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 11:29 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: New Server and Disk Pools
> Importance:   Low
>
> S-80 IBM SYSTEMS
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff Bach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 11:21 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: New Server and Disk Pools
>
>
> How many multi processor clients do you run on one server with this 
> setup?
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: PINNI, BALANAND (SBCSI) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 10:43 AM
> > To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject:  Re: New Server and Disk Pools
> > Importance:   High
> >
> > Use RAID 1+0 FOR PERF AND AVILABILITY.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Martin JF (DTI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:14 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: New Server and Disk Pools
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > We do RAID on our TSM server. RAID-5 for DiskPools, RAID-1 for DB et 
> > RECLOG. By using RAID, we don't mirror our database because this 
> > become
> redundant.
> >
> > JF Martin
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Stephen A. Cochran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 4-Sep-01 9:56 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: New Server and Disk Pools
> >
> >
> > I'm specing out a new server, and I'm wondering about disk pools. 
> > How do you recover from a disk failure on a disk pool? Do people use 
> > RAID on their disk
> > pools?
> >
> > This server is for a new project to back up distributed clients all
> around
> > campus.
> >
> > Steve Cochran
> > Dartmouth College
>
>
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Re: TDPS in a cluster

2001-09-07 Thread LeBlanc, Patricia

Anyone know of a Redbook for clustering in the Windows2000 environment?

We're using Tivoli client 4.1.2.12 on a windows2000 server.

> -Original Message-
> From: Glen Churchfield [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 1:12 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  TDPS in a cluster
>
> I have a pair of Win2K servers clustered with MSCS and running MSSQL 7.0.
> Backups run fine with TDP 2.2, but if either node fails over to the other
> node, the "failed-from" TSM schedule service fails to start on the new
> box.
> When it fails back, the services start and run fine. The setup was
> according
> to the TDP V2.2 Installation and User's Guide which includes duplicate
> options files and config files in the startup directory and replicated
> registry keys for the passwords. Has anyone solved this problem? Tivoli
> level 1 support was clueless after 2.5 hours on the phone. I'm hopeful
> that
> I've missed something that someone on the list has seen.
>
>
> Glen Churchfield
> Frontway TSM Consultant
> Columbus, Ohio
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 740-503-3384



TSM not grabbing scratch volumes as needed

2001-09-07 Thread Johnn D. Tan

Something's wrong.

Normally, when one of the storagepools runs out of filling tapes, and
an operation is run that requires a filling tape, TSM will usually
grab a scratch volume and use it.

It is not doing that anymore for any of our storage pools. We have to
manually define a scratch volume to a storage pool. E.g., "def v
restorepool 000116"

Why is this happening? And how can we fix it?

We are runnning TSM 4.1 on an AIX 4.3.3 box.

johnn



Re: Command Output in the Activity log

2001-09-07 Thread Alex Paschal

Hmm... I agree with Wanda and Dwight.  Definitely not in the Activity Log.
However, if there were an option you could turn on in the dsmserv.opt to
have all your proposed output directed to the server's stdout, you could
easily capture it with dsmulog or whatever else you might like to use.

Realistically, though, I can't think of too many situations where seeing the
output of other admins' queries and selects would help me very much, and
most things that aren't a queries or selects are pretty self explanatory.
Out of curiosity, what would you expect to get from it?

Alex

-Original Message-
From: Matthew Large [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:31 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Command Output in the Activity log


> Hi all,
>
> While I was trawling through a customers activity log, it occured to me
> that my job would be much easier if the output of all the admin commands
> and select statements entered at the command line and web interface was
> included in the activity log. Does anyone agree with me? If you do, I may
> make a design change request to IBM/Tivoli to include this option. And, as
> usual, the more, the merrier, the better chance we have of getting our
> way!
>
> Thanks *smers
>

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Re: TSM not grabbing scratch volumes as needed

2001-09-07 Thread Ted Byrne

Johnn,

Run this select:

select stgpool_name, maxscratch from stgpools

Then run this one:

select stgpool_name, -
count(*) as qty -
from volumes -
where scratch='Yes' -
group by stgpool_name

Compare the QTY shown for each storagepool in the second query with the
value shown by the first query.

My guess is that you will find that one or more of your storagepools have
hit the wall of the number of allowable scratch tapes defined for that
storagepool.  You can increase the value by issuing the command "upd stg
{stgpoolname} maxscr={bignumber}"

HTH,

Ted



Re: TSM not grabbing scratch volumes as needed

2001-09-07 Thread Prather, Wanda

What error are you getting?  Something like "out of space in stgpool x"?

Check the properties of the storage pool; look at the MAXSCRATCH parameter.
TSM will never grab more scratch tapes than you have specified there.
Just bump the number up.

-Original Message-
From: Johnn D. Tan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 4:42 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: TSM not grabbing scratch volumes as needed


Something's wrong.

Normally, when one of the storagepools runs out of filling tapes, and
an operation is run that requires a filling tape, TSM will usually
grab a scratch volume and use it.

It is not doing that anymore for any of our storage pools. We have to
manually define a scratch volume to a storage pool. E.g., "def v
restorepool 000116"

Why is this happening? And how can we fix it?

We are runnning TSM 4.1 on an AIX 4.3.3 box.

johnn



Re: ESS and Flashcopy for backups

2001-09-07 Thread Kavita Shah

Hi Bill,

Here' s the Tivoli website describing "TDP for ESS for Oracle", the
product I mentioned yesterday. Please note that this product currently
does not support Oracle Parallel Server.

http://www.tivoli.com/products/index/data_protect_ess/index.html

Regards

Kavita Shah
IBM Corporation



Re: Command Output in the Activity log

2001-09-07 Thread Joel Fuhrman

I would use it in scripts; especially my scripts which manage offsite
volumes.

On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Alex Paschal wrote:

> Hmm... I agree with Wanda and Dwight.  Definitely not in the Activity Log.
> However, if there were an option you could turn on in the dsmserv.opt to
> have all your proposed output directed to the server's stdout, you could
> easily capture it with dsmulog or whatever else you might like to use.
>
> Realistically, though, I can't think of too many situations where seeing the
> output of other admins' queries and selects would help me very much, and
> most things that aren't a queries or selects are pretty self explanatory.
> Out of curiosity, what would you expect to get from it?
>
> Alex
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew Large [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:31 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Command Output in the Activity log
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > While I was trawling through a customers activity log, it occured to me
> > that my job would be much easier if the output of all the admin commands
> > and select statements entered at the command line and web interface was
> > included in the activity log. Does anyone agree with me? If you do, I may
> > make a design change request to IBM/Tivoli to include this option. And, as
> > usual, the more, the merrier, the better chance we have of getting our
> > way!
> >
> > Thanks *smers
> >
>
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Re: Command Output in the Activity log

2001-09-07 Thread Joel Fuhrman

At times it would be useful. It could be implemented as a form of the
redirect (> TSMLOG) or an option like -log

On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Cook, Dwight E wrote:

> Uhmmm I don't think you would want all that !
> Could end up in an infinate loop ! ! !
> what if you did a "q act begind=-7 endd=today"
> if all the output were put in the log, you have just increased your activity
> log (space occupied in your db) by the last 7 days.  If you only keep 7
> days, you've just doubled it !
> AND this specific  "q act" type action could result in looping if you are
> listing what is in the log and what you are listing is being dumped into the
> log... :-O
>
> just my 2 cents worth...
>
> Dwight
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew Large [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 8:56 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Command Output in the Activity log
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> While I was trawling through a customers activity log, it occured to me that
> my job would be much easier if the output of all the admin commands and
> select statements entered at the command line and web interface was included
> in the activity log. Does anyone agree with me? If you do, I may make a
> design change request to IBM/Tivoli to include this option. And, as usual,
> the more, the merrier, the better chance we have of getting our way!
>
> Thanks *smers
>
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