Re: [9fans] [9front] mouse handling code on amd64

[Lucio De Re]

On 2025/04/01 10:03, Roman Belenov wrote:
But as far as I understand aux/kbdfs is a separate user mode binary, 
the kernel is not modified.


There are a few binary executables included in the loaded kernel, 
necessary during booting. A copy of aux/kbdfs may well be one of those. 
You'll be able to determine that for certain by looking at the 
configuration file that describes how the kernel is constructed 
(/sys/src/9/pc/pc would be an obvious example, there are quite a few to 
choose from).


Lucio.

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Re: [9fans] NIX this morning

[Wes Kussmaul]

Dave, over the last century a rapidly increasing number of jobs that 
keep peoples' noses on their desks and away from the truly beneficial 
state you describe are make-work jobs. People fear algorithms replacing 
meaningful work in the future without realizing that much of it has 
already happened, and so various mandates and commercial pressures yield 
a harvest of fake jobs.


I'm working with a group that is going to try to get public 
acknowledgement of this naked emperor. We want to replace fake jobs with 
mechanisms that facilitate work that is both compensated and fully 
driven by individual initiative, with the notion of an assigned "job 
description" made obsolete.



On 4/1/25 08:32, Dave Lukes via 9fans wrote:
This is definitely off-topic and relatively long, for which I apologise 
in advance, but since it might be useful and I can speak about it from 
experience, I will ...


I highly recommend retirement, most of all because it frees your mind; 
it also frees your time, but that will get eaten up by the million&one 
things that you will find out that you want to do.


A couple of years ago, I retired early because I could, not because I'm 
wealthy but because I realised that I possessed "enough" to survive 
without a job: "enough" being a complex & subjective set of factors.
I highly recommend saving huge lumps of your income, living frugally in 
order to get to that point ASAP and doing the above calculation for 
yourself sooner rather than later, iterating every time you decide that 
you hate going to work.


Until I contemplated retirement I didn't truly realise how much of my 
intellectual+emotional bandwidth as well as my chronological bandwidth 
was eaten up by the "day job".
I am well aware that there may be very clever people on this list who 
can do a job and do lots of other things without messing their brains 
up, but I realised, too late, that my brain has been burned by too much 
nonsense.  If you've ever worked on lots of "mainstream" software you 
may understand what I mean.
(TBH extreme abuse of so-called "recreational" drugs in my youth 
probably played a part as well).


Sadly, all those years working on things I didn't like have soured my 
brain to the point where I gradually moved away from liking software to 
tolerating it.
I now regard myself as merely a user of software: I don't have the 
intellectual/emotional energy to work on plan9 and other nice things;
I stay on this mailing list for intellectual pleasure (a true "9fan") 
and look back nostalgically at the time when I organised the 1st plan9 
workshop in a room in London :'(.


My pleasures are now: DIY, gardening, volunteering at repair cafés and 
other such stuff.  I don't regret my life, I'm happy, but if I'd taken 
more care of my brain, I might have been happy *and* be typing this on 
plan9 instead of Linux.


One caveat is that: if you have been working all your life, retirement 
may seem strange: you have to manage all your own time; some people 
tolerate it better than others: I am still adjusting to it after more 
than a year and a half.



So maybe a good TL;DR would be: stay away from the ugly software as much 
as you can and retire ASAP.


Dave.


On 28/03/2025 17:55, Brian L. Stuart wrote:

On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 07:47:02AM -0700, ron minnich wrote:

Off to my day job :-)

Ron,
I've heard rumors (perhaps apocryphal) that there exists
a state of being where there is no "day job" and you can
spend all your time on things that are more intellectually
satisfying than any suit could ever appreciate.  I think
they call it "retirement."  Of course, that may be as mythical
as "vacation."  But I've got a basement full of unstarted
and half-finished projects that are calling out for me
find a path to this nirvana.

BLS



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Re: [9fans] NIX this morning

[Dave Lukes via 9fans]

This is definitely off-topic and relatively long, for which I apologise 
in advance, but since it might be useful and I can speak about it from 
experience, I will ...


I highly recommend retirement, most of all because it frees your mind; 
it also frees your time, but that will get eaten up by the million&one 
things that you will find out that you want to do.


A couple of years ago, I retired early because I could, not because I'm 
wealthy but because I realised that I possessed "enough" to survive 
without a job: "enough" being a complex & subjective set of factors.
I highly recommend saving huge lumps of your income, living frugally in 
order to get to that point ASAP and doing the above calculation for 
yourself sooner rather than later, iterating every time you decide that 
you hate going to work.


Until I contemplated retirement I didn't truly realise how much of my 
intellectual+emotional bandwidth as well as my chronological bandwidth 
was eaten up by the "day job".
I am well aware that there may be very clever people on this list who 
can do a job and do lots of other things without messing their brains 
up, but I realised, too late, that my brain has been burned by too much 
nonsense.  If you've ever worked on lots of "mainstream" software you 
may understand what I mean.
(TBH extreme abuse of so-called "recreational" drugs in my youth 
probably played a part as well).


Sadly, all those years working on things I didn't like have soured my 
brain to the point where I gradually moved away from liking software to 
tolerating it.
I now regard myself as merely a user of software: I don't have the 
intellectual/emotional energy to work on plan9 and other nice things;
I stay on this mailing list for intellectual pleasure (a true "9fan") 
and look back nostalgically at the time when I organised the 1st plan9 
workshop in a room in London :'(.


My pleasures are now: DIY, gardening, volunteering at repair cafés and 
other such stuff.  I don't regret my life, I'm happy, but if I'd taken 
more care of my brain, I might have been happy *and* be typing this on 
plan9 instead of Linux.


One caveat is that: if you have been working all your life, retirement 
may seem strange: you have to manage all your own time; some people 
tolerate it better than others: I am still adjusting to it after more 
than a year and a half.



So maybe a good TL;DR would be: stay away from the ugly software as much 
as you can and retire ASAP.


Dave.


On 28/03/2025 17:55, Brian L. Stuart wrote:

On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 07:47:02AM -0700, ron minnich wrote:

Off to my day job :-)

Ron,
I've heard rumors (perhaps apocryphal) that there exists
a state of being where there is no "day job" and you can
spend all your time on things that are more intellectually
satisfying than any suit could ever appreciate.  I think
they call it "retirement."  Of course, that may be as mythical
as "vacation."  But I've got a basement full of unstarted
and half-finished projects that are calling out for me
find a path to this nirvana.

BLS



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Re: [9fans] [9front] mouse handling code on amd64

[Roman Belenov]

But as far as I understand aux/kbdfs is a separate user mode binary, the kernel 
is not modified.
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Re: [9fans] [9front] mouse handling code on amd64

[cinap_lenrek]

As others said, aux/kbdfs gets included in the kernel-image in a read-only
ram file-system so that the system can prompt you for your root-filesystem
and user-name on boot.

This is also true for alot of other file-servers like nusb/usbd, gefs...

So you need to also "mk install" the kernel and then manually copy
the kernel-image file into your 9fat.

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Re: [9fans] [9front] mouse handling code on amd64

[Roman Belenov]

The code moved from the kernel to userspace to be included in special 
filesystem inside kernel image? It's April 1st, right?

Seriously - I see that it's similar to initrd in Linux and rebuilding the 
kernel works, so now I can use 9front with touchpad with more comfort (there 
are physical buttons below touchpad, but they require too much effort to press; 
two fingers tap for right button work, but not for click-and-drag required to 
create new window). Now I can continue reading the intro, just reached the 
"take me to your leader" part ;)

PS Do you think it's a good idea to make mouse button swap customizable via 
/dev/consctl?
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[9fans] Re: 9Front and The Future of Platform Support

[Roman Belenov]

Why not Alpha? Or it's never-released-for-some-reason successor Iota?
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Re: [9fans] Re: 9Front and The Future of Platform Support

[Roman Belenov]

Yes, Alpha was not a good name; to fix the issue, they had plan B (Beta), plan 
3 (Gamma) to make it even better, and eventually Iota was supposed to be the 
last word in naming and CPU design, but something went wrong...
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Re: [9fans] Re: IWP9 trip

[Skip Tavakkolian]

There isn't an "official hotel", but at least two of us are staying at
Hôtel Paris Gambetta. It's a 40-50 minute walk or 20 minute by Metro
from CNAM.

On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 9:02 AM  wrote:
>
> Quoth Shawn Rutledge :
> > > On Mar 9, 2025, at 13:27, Shawn Rutledge  wrote:
> > >
> > > So who’s planning to go?  I think we should get started coordinating the 
> > > lodging so we can get the flights ahead of time too. 
> > > https://iwp9.org/#loc says “To be provided”.  If we’re just going to get 
> > > Airbnb’s and such on our own, that’s fine with me, and I could share with 
> > > someone.
> >
> > So back to this question: it seems that we are on our own, and I have found 
> > a couple of AirBnB 2-bedroom apartments within walking distance, where we 
> > could try to live like locals for those days.  I think I would like to stay 
> > for a day or two before and/or after.  Who’s interested in sharing with me?
> >
> 
> Yes. I got a little airbnb in the area. I don't believe we have an official
> conference hotel.
> 

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Re: [9fans] Re: 9Front and The Future of Platform Support

[Roberto E. Vargas Caballero]

On Tue, Apr 01, 2025 at 12:33:47PM -0400, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
> Quoth Roman Belenov :
> > Why not Alpha? Or it's never-released-for-some-reason successor Iota?
> 
> Too niche, obviously.

I have an alpha computer! No alpha support no hackathon!!

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Re: [9fans] Tailscale on Plan 9

[Skip Tavakkolian]

I noticed that right away! I thought it was my oversized ego making me
see things; but there it was in print "Skip"!

On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 10:53 AM Brad Fitzpatrick  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 10:15 AM Skip Tavakkolian  
> wrote:
>>
>> I'll be honest, this made me cry a little.
>>
>> The quality and polish, and everything works! Almost too good :D
>
>
> Mission accomplished!
>
> The blog post originally said "Avoid learning factotum" but I changed it to 
> "Skip learning factotum" before publishing to get "Skip" in there :)
>
>
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Re: [9fans] Re: 9Front and The Future of Platform Support

[ori]

Quoth Roman Belenov :
> Why not Alpha? Or it's never-released-for-some-reason successor Iota?

Too niche, obviously.


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Re: [9fans] Tailscale on Plan 9

[Skip Tavakkolian]

I'll be honest, this made me cry a little.

The quality and polish, and everything works! Almost too good :D

On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 8:35 AM  wrote:
>
> Skip asked me to make Tailscale work on Plan 9.
>
> I tried, but ran into problems so I asked Russ for some help. Together, we 
> just got it all mostly working.
>
> Blog post 1 of 2 is now at 
> https://tailscale.com/blog/tailscale-enterprise-plan-9-support
>
> The followup blog post tomorrow will go into details about what we did.
>
> There are a number of shortcuts and TODOs and things I'll need to ask for 
> more help on. (e.g. how do I make an outgoing TCP connection bound to a 
> specific interface or ignoring a certain route in the routing table? I 
> couldn't figure that out, and that's necessary for "exit node" support... so 
> we're able to make connections out to control/data plane services with your 
> "real" underlay network card and ignore the 0.0.0.0/0, ::0/0 routes back into 
> the Tailscale network device.)
>
> There will be a Google Meet "webinar" (it was hard to write that word without 
> cringing, even as a joke) in about 24 hours if anybody wants to hang out and 
> chat about any of this, or just about Plan 9 in general: 
> https://ftp.plan9.ts.net/webinar has a time & will redirect to the Google 
> Meet URL tomorrow.
>
> - Brad
>
> P.S. Sorry? :)
>
>
>
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Re: [9fans] git issues

[Roman Belenov]

Thank you, that did the trick!
"git/merge front" also works now. However, "git/diff -c front" produces huge 
diffs, looks like front is not interpreted as a branch name. How to compare two 
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Re: [9fans] Re: IWP9 trip

[Charles Forsyth]

>
> It's a 40-50 minute walk or 20 minute by Metro


there's also Vélib

On Tue, 1 Apr 2025 at 23:22, Charles Forsyth 
wrote:

> I'm in Monmartre as usual, this time in a garret
>
> On Tue, 1 Apr 2025 at 22:25, Skip Tavakkolian 
> wrote:
>
>> There isn't an "official hotel", but at least two of us are staying at
>> Hôtel Paris Gambetta. It's a 40-50 minute walk or 20 minute by Metro
>> from CNAM.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 9:02 AM  wrote:
>> >
>> > Quoth Shawn Rutledge :
>> > > > On Mar 9, 2025, at 13:27, Shawn Rutledge  wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > So who’s planning to go?  I think we should get started
>> coordinating the lodging so we can get the flights ahead of time too.
>> https://iwp9.org/#loc says “To be provided”.  If we’re just going to get
>> Airbnb’s and such on our own, that’s fine with me, and I could share with
>> someone.
>> > >
>> > > So back to this question: it seems that we are on our own, and I have
>> found a couple of AirBnB 2-bedroom apartments within walking distance,
>> where we could try to live like locals for those days.  I think I would
>> like to stay for a day or two before and/or after.  Who’s interested in
>> sharing with me?
>> >
>> > Yes. I got a little airbnb in the area. I don't believe we have an
>> official
>> > conference hotel.
>> >

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Re: [9fans] Acme event file and keyboard

[Mathieu Bivert]

1/ opening the event file disables menu management. one can
write 'menu' to ctl (should still be undocumented) to re-enable it.

2/ xfideventwrite() (src/cmd/acme/xfid.c) doesn't seem to handle
"keyboard insert" events (e.g. "KI275 275 0 1 e"; third integers
is a flag; acme(4) only describes writing event with a flag to 1).
one can still insert text using the addr/data files, e.g. simulating
the previous "KI" event with:

  $ echo -n '#275' | 9p write acme/796/addr # or '#275,#275'
  $ echo -n e | 9p write acme/796/data

3/ in my experience, at least on UNIX, something like sxhkd[0] has
been preferable to acme events for shortcuts, albeit imperfect. in
particular, I remember frequently hitting a race or something
(iirc in 9pserve) when registering an "event handler" (reading
acme event files) on all buffers.

hope it helps,

[0]: https://github.com/baskerville/sxhkd

On Sat, Mar 29, 2025 at 1:30 AM m via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote:

> Sorry I wasn't really clear, I'm talking about, in your example,
> `acme/29/event`. acme(4) explains I can also receive keyboard events and I
> do, I can get the characters I enter, but sending them back in has the
> behaviour I explained. I'm using `wineventloop` from acme.rc, and my event
> function is trivial:
>
> ```
> fn event {
> winwritevent $*
> }
>
> newwindow
> wineventloop
> ```
>
> As I said I don't have errors when using the go API, only with the acme.rc
> one. I don't have anything special in +Errors
>
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Re: [9fans] Re: 9Front and The Future of Platform Support

[Brian L. Stuart]

On Tue, Apr 01, 2025 at 10:59:06PM +0200, Roberto E. Vargas Caballero wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 01, 2025 at 12:33:47PM -0400, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
> > Quoth Roman Belenov :
> > > Why not Alpha? Or it's never-released-for-some-reason successor Iota?
> > 
> > Too niche, obviously.
> 
> I have an alpha computer! No alpha support no hackathon!!

I've got an alpha too.  And I'd sure prefer it over anything
in the x86 family.

BLS


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Re: [9fans] Re: IWP9 trip

[Charles Forsyth]

I'm in Monmartre as usual, this time in a garret

On Tue, 1 Apr 2025 at 22:25, Skip Tavakkolian 
wrote:

> There isn't an "official hotel", but at least two of us are staying at
> Hôtel Paris Gambetta. It's a 40-50 minute walk or 20 minute by Metro
> from CNAM.
>
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 9:02 AM  wrote:
> >
> > Quoth Shawn Rutledge :
> > > > On Mar 9, 2025, at 13:27, Shawn Rutledge  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So who’s planning to go?  I think we should get started coordinating
> the lodging so we can get the flights ahead of time too.
> https://iwp9.org/#loc says “To be provided”.  If we’re just going to get
> Airbnb’s and such on our own, that’s fine with me, and I could share with
> someone.
> > >
> > > So back to this question: it seems that we are on our own, and I have
> found a couple of AirBnB 2-bedroom apartments within walking distance,
> where we could try to live like locals for those days.  I think I would
> like to stay for a day or two before and/or after.  Who’s interested in
> sharing with me?
> >
> > Yes. I got a little airbnb in the area. I don't believe we have an
> official
> > conference hotel.
> >

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Re: [9fans] Re: 9Front and The Future of Platform Support

[Dan Cross]

On Tue, Apr 1, 2025, 6:24 PM Brian L. Stuart  wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 01, 2025 at 10:59:06PM +0200, Roberto E. Vargas Caballero
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 01, 2025 at 12:33:47PM -0400, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
> > > Quoth Roman Belenov :
> > > > Why not Alpha? Or it's never-released-for-some-reason successor Iota?
> > >
> > > Too niche, obviously.
> >
> > I have an alpha computer! No alpha support no hackathon!!
>
> I've got an alpha too.  And I'd sure prefer it over anything
> in the x86 family.
>

Dat memory model, tho.

- Dan C.

(Seriously, though: x86 got a few things right, TSO, physically tagged
caches, and I would argue the architectural page table format among them.)

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Re: [9fans] [9front] mouse handling code on amd64

[Roman Belenov]

UPD Learned about readstr and added reading of the current state - 
https://okturing.com/src/24387/body
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[9fans] 9Front and The Future of Platform Support

[ori]

As we consider the hardware-based future of 9front, we have come
to the conclusion that our current situation is unsustainable.
When we consider the declining build quality of modern
thinkpads, the 9front disorganization committee has reevaluated
the common approach how to move forward, and believes it's time
to take some bold steps which will carry us strongly into the
future.

We have surveyed 73 randomly selected users on stackoverflow,
and on the strength of the results of this survey, we are
confident that nobody will be impacted if 9front dropped amd64
support.

Given the huge maintenance cost of immature computer
architectures such as mips, 386, arm, arm64 and amd64, we
decided to put our focus on the more mature and stable
achitectures:

power64 and itanuim.

Therefore, all architectures other than power64 and itanium are
thereby frozen, conserved and promoted to end of life.

The advantages are clearly presented here:

- The future is 64-bit: Driven by the needs of browser developers,
  it's become clear that a 32 bit address space is no longer
  enough.  As we work towards expanding Mothra to support modern
  substandards, we will need room to grow.

- Reduced distribution size: We are rapidly approaching the limit
  of what we can fit on a CD. Because we're uncertain if DVDs can
  be supported on Itanium, we feel the need to trim the fat.

- Hardware more cheaply available: With the recent rise of Ebay,
  it's become clear that as large corporations bequeath us their
  wealth of power64 and itanium hardware, the prices of such
  machines will continue to drop.

- Continued hardware popularity: We have done a survey of the
  popularity of Itanium, and in recent years, the number of active
  installations has been stable, giving us confidence that the
  platform will continue well into the future at its current level
  of market dominance.

- Put an end to the "byte order fallacy" problem: With current
  hardware, we have limited ourselves to little endian byte
  order.  Setting aside fact that the correct answer is: BIG
  ENDIAN, we feel that it's critical to our success that all
  processors we support in the future be big-endian.

Given that the compilers for power64 and itanium are currently
not up to our quality standards in regards to optimal
instruction scheduling, the current distribution media only
includes the binaries that that have passed our rigorous quality
controll process.

We believe that with these changes, 9front will replace inferno
as the common dominant consumer operating system.

ISOs are available for download here:

http://iso.only9fans.com/release/9font-april.itanium.iso
http://iso.only9fans.com/release/9font-april.power64.iso


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[9fans] git issues

[Roman Belenov]

Hello,

I have some issues with git (after bind -ac /dist/plan9front)

1.git/diff -s produces a lot of messages like

R lib/1oct1993/0310.ms

What are these files? Is it possible to get rid of it?

2. I've created new branch "local", made some changes in /sys/src and committed 
them. I had no errors, but "git/merge front" now emits "/bin/git/merge: dirty 
work tree, refusing to merge". Any suggestions? Is it related to first issue?

Regards, Roman
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Re: [9fans] Tailscale on Plan 9

[Jacob Moody]

On 4/1/25 10:28, b...@danga.com wrote:
> Skip asked me to make Tailscale work on Plan 9.
> 
> I tried, but ran into problems so I asked Russ for some help. Together, we 
> just got it all mostly working.
> 
> Blog post 1 of 2 is now at 
> https://tailscale.com/blog/tailscale-enterprise-plan-9-support 
> 

Your post this morning was quite a present surprise. Got a couple chuckles out 
of me as well.
I realize the date, but seeming that there was some code written for this I 
suspect there's some truth to this.

> 
> The followup blog post tomorrow will go into details about what we did.
> 
> There are a number of shortcuts and TODOs and things I'll need to ask for 
> more help on. (e.g. how do I make an outgoing TCP connection bound to a 
> specific interface or ignoring a certain route in the routing table? I 
> couldn't figure that out, and that's necessary for "exit node" support... so 
> we're able to make connections out to control/data plane services with your 
> "real" underlay network card and ignore the 0.0.0.0/0, ::0/0 routes back into 
> the Tailscale network device.)

As far as I know there isn't a way of doing either of what you're asking for.
I also have to apologize, I am not familiar with how exactly tailscale works so 
let me know if I've got some wrong assumptions.

The type of things I believe you're reaching for can be solved in plan 9/9front 
by using multiple instances of /net.
Essentially you use one /net as your "outside" network, one in which the vpn 
software itself can use to reach out
to other peers. While the vpn software then creates an interface on the 
"inside" /net, and programs using the "inside"
/net will then have their connections forwarded through the software. The vpn 
software created interface can then be
the default route on the "inside" /net without impacting the vpn software's 
ability to talk on the "outside" net.

This is largely how the existing tinc vpn implementation[0][1] works in 9front. 
While not strictly required, I also use
multiple /net devices for my home NAT configuration for the same purpose of 
isolating the routing tables from the
LAN and the greater internet. If it is of any use I've written a short blog 
post[2] about how I have this NAT configuration all
setup.

[0] http://man.9front.org/8/tinc
[1] 
https://git.9front.org/plan9front/plan9front/a3fef8384db2ce1ff98c38373c59841b83c83ce0/sys/src/cmd/ip/tinc.c/f.html
[2] https://posixcafe.org/blogs/2024/01/04/0/


Hope this helps,
Jacob Moody



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Re: [9fans] Tailscale on Plan 9

[ron minnich]

Brad, you can bind multiple, separate instances of the tcp stack to
individual interfaces as needed. You can have an entire tcp stack rooted
at, e.g., /net.alt; this was done at Bell Labs and it's why plan 9 never
needed NAT. /net.alt was used for "outside the labs" traffic.

We also did this on the Blue Gene supercomputers to provide separate stacks
for the internal and external networks.

There's nothing special about the name /net. The address strings you use
(tcp!addr!port) have an implicit /net prefix, but you can supply one of
your own.
e.g.
telnet tcp!google.com!80
and
telnet /net/tcp!google.com!80
both use the tcp stack rooted at /net.
but
telnet /bradsnet/tcp!google.com!80
is perfectly legal as long as you've set up a stack on /bradsnet

I asked Claude to summarize and it did a pretty good job.
Show how one can bind a new plan 9 ip stack instance to a particular
interface
and
now add another stack in /net.alt

Claude correctly showed two different interfaces.

Further, there's nothing special about names like /net/ether0, etc: these
are conventions, and for special cases, like tailscale, you can make your
own.

The key point is that none of these names are reserved in any way, so it's
very easy to have, e.g., entirely independent IP stacks, each one owning
one or more interfaces .

Plan 9 had working network name spaces about 20 years before Linux ...
ron
p.s. It's been years since I did this, so I'm sure people can correct me on
details.

On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 8:35 AM  wrote:

> Skip asked me to make Tailscale work on Plan 9.
>
> I tried, but ran into problems so I asked Russ for some help. Together, we
> just got it all mostly working.
>
> Blog post 1 of 2 is now at
> https://tailscale.com/blog/tailscale-enterprise-plan-9-support
>
> The followup blog post tomorrow will go into details about what we did.
>
> There are a number of shortcuts and TODOs and things I'll need to ask for
> more help on. (e.g. how do I make an outgoing TCP connection bound to a
> specific interface or ignoring a certain route in the routing table? I
> couldn't figure that out, and that's necessary for "exit node" support...
> so we're able to make connections out to control/data plane services with
> your "real" underlay network card and ignore the 0.0.0.0/0, ::0/0 routes
> back into the Tailscale network device.)
>
> There will be a Google Meet "webinar" (it was hard to write that word
> without cringing, even as a joke) in about 24 hours if anybody wants to
> hang out and chat about any of this, or just about Plan 9 in general:
> https://ftp.plan9.ts.net/webinar has a time & will redirect to the Google
> Meet URL tomorrow.
>
> - Brad
>
> P.S. Sorry? :)
>
>
>
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Re: [9fans] Re: 9Front and The Future of Platform Support

[Frank D. Engel, Jr.]

Not sure about Iota, but Alpha as an architecture name is a likely 
source of confusion that would be nice to avoid.


How easy to mistake an alpha release as a release for Alpha?  Not to 
metion alpha releases for Alpha...


It makes me wonder what the conversations would be like if the company 
Alpha had released their earlier database product (Alpha Four) for the 
Alpha architecture... an alpha of Alpha Four for Alpha?



On 4/1/25 11:35, Roman Belenov wrote:

Why not Alpha? Or it's never-released-for-some-reason successor Iota?
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[9fans] Tailscale on Plan 9

[brad]

Skip asked me to make Tailscale work on Plan 9.

I tried, but ran into problems so I asked Russ for some help. Together, we just 
got it all mostly working.

Blog post 1 of 2 is now at 
https://tailscale.com/blog/tailscale-enterprise-plan-9-support

The followup blog post tomorrow will go into details about what we did.

There are a number of shortcuts and TODOs and things I'll need to ask for more 
help on. (e.g. how do I make an outgoing TCP connection bound to a specific 
interface or ignoring a certain route in the routing table? I couldn't figure 
that out, and that's necessary for "exit node" support... so we're able to make 
connections out to control/data plane services with your "real" underlay 
network card and ignore the 0.0.0.0/0, ::0/0 routes back into the Tailscale 
network device.)

There will be a Google Meet "webinar" (it was hard to write that word without 
cringing, even as a joke) in about 24 hours if anybody wants to hang out and 
chat about any of this, or just about Plan 9 in general: 
https://ftp.plan9.ts.net/webinar has a time & will redirect to the Google Meet 
URL tomorrow.

- Brad

P.S. Sorry? :)



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