Re: tabs/spaces

2012-04-02 Thread Ulrich Eckhardt
Am 30.03.2012 14:47, schrieb Dave Angel: > But since it doesn't do it on all messages, have you also confirmed that > it does it for a text message? My experience seems to be that only the > html messages are messed up that way. I can't find any HTML in what I posted, so HTML is not the problem.

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread Yingjie Lan
Hi Adrian, see my comments below. > > From: Adrian Hunt ... >It could break old code... okay you may say you should’nt allow >certain characters but if they're printable and used in a controlled >environment those characters can dramatically increase the security >

Re: tabs/spaces

2012-04-02 Thread Terry Reedy
On 4/2/2012 3:12 AM, Ulrich Eckhardt wrote: I can't find any HTML in what I posted, so HTML is not the problem. A difference could be the content type. I had in my posting: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Another one titled "Pipelining in Python", where TB doesn

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread Yingjie Lan
> You can already do essentially that without adding a special-case string  > formatting method to the general methods we already have. > balls = 5 people = 3 'The {people} people have {balls} > balls.'.format(**locals()) > 'The 3 people have 5 balls.' Clearly dynamic strings

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread Yingjie Lan
> Python already has *3* different built-in string > formatting/interpolation systems: ... > I would surmise that your key "implicitly grab variable values from > the enclosing scope" feature has previously been rejected for being > too magical. It grabs because it is an expression in disguise (n

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Yingjie Lan wrote: > They are called "Dynamic strings". > Dynamic strings can achieve formatting, > but the mechanism under the hood differ > from common strings dramatically. > > Many here didn't realize that this is not > another formatting proposal, it is a new >

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread Jussi Piitulainen
Yingjie Lan writes: > Clearly dynamic strings are much more powerful, > allowing arbitrary expressions inside. It is also > more terse and readable, since we need no dictionary. ... > On the implementation, I would suppose new  > syntax is needed (though very small). I don't think you need any ne

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 17:52:33 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > I'm -1 on the idea, mainly because there are already two perfectly good > string interpolation syntaxes that don't require a new kind of string. Three. % formatting {} formatting $ formatting using string.Template -- Steven -- http

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 00:39:42 -0700, Yingjie Lan wrote: >> You can already do essentially that without adding a special-case >> string > >> formatting method to the general methods we already have. >> > balls = 5 > people = 3 > 'The {people} people have {balls} >> balls.'.format(**

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 00:39:42 -0700, Yingjie Lan wrote: >> The compiler can choose to convert it into a string >> formatting expression, of course. To efficiently format strings at >> runtime, the best choice (especially >> for safty reasons)

Re: Threads on google groups not on gmane?

2012-04-02 Thread Robert Kern
On 3/31/12 1:47 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote: I went onto google groups to do a search and saw three threads (there may be more) that I've never seen on gmane, which I read via thunderbird on windows. The titles are "Is programming art or science", "breezypythongui: A New Toolkit for Easy GUIs in Pyth

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread Yingjie Lan
- Original Message - > From: Steven D'Aprano > To: python-list@python.org > Cc: > Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 4:26 PM > Subject: Re: string interpolation for python > > On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 00:39:42 -0700, Yingjie Lan wrote: > >>> You can already do essentially that without adding a

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread Yingjie Lan
> Actually, this sounds like a job for a precompiler/preprocessor. Do > whatever translations you want on your code, then turn it into a .py > file for execution. But hardly necessary, as there are already two - > err, three, I stand corrected - perfectly good ways to do it. Agree and disagree. 

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Yingjie Lan wrote: > I believe non of the other three alternatives are as terse and readable. > We've got template based, formatting with dict, formatting with tuple. > They all require the coder extra effort: > > Both template based and dict-based formatting requir

Re: Threads on google groups not on gmane?

2012-04-02 Thread Paul Rubin
Robert Kern writes: > I also don't see these on GMane. It's possible that they are getting > caught in one of GMane's several levels of spam filtering. I'm seeing some weird issues where google groups posts on another newsgroup aren't making it to the non-google nntp server that I use. The parano

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread Duncan Booth
Yingjie Lan wrote: > Both template based and dict-based formatting require writing the > identifier three times: name = 'Peter' "Are you %(name)s"%{'name':name} > ÿ > If dynamic string is used: "Are you $name$?" > Template: Template("Are you $name?").substitute(name=name) > It

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread Chris Rebert
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:11 AM, Yingjie Lan wrote: > I believe non of the other three alternatives are as terse and readable. > We've got template based, formatting with dict, formatting with tuple. > They all require the coder extra effort: > > Both template based and dict-based formatting requi

Re: Tkinter: IDLE can't get out of mainloop

2012-04-02 Thread Frederic Rentsch
On Sat, 2012-03-31 at 06:29 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 3/31/2012 3:42 AM, Frederic Rentsch wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Is is a bad idea to develop Tkinter applications in IDLE? I understand > > that IDLE is itself a Tkinter application, supposedly in a mainloop and > > mainloops apparently don't

Re: Threads on google groups not on gmane?

2012-04-02 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: > Robert Kern writes: >> I also don't see these on GMane. It's possible that they are getting >> caught in one of GMane's several levels of spam filtering. > > I'm seeing some weird issues where google groups posts on another > newsgroup aren

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread Yingjie Lan
>  "Are you "+name+"?" > > That allows arbitrary expressions and everything. >  To make that work for any type, you need: >>> "Are you "+ str(name) + "?" Another concern is performance. You are absolutely right, they are  equivalent in that both are expressions. As long as people start

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 02:11:46 -0700, Yingjie Lan wrote: > Both template based and dict-based formatting require writing the > identifier three times: > >>> name = 'Peter' > >>> "Are you %(name)s"%{'name':name} They don't *require* this at all. "Are you %s" % name For trivial examples, you have

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread Yingjie Lan
> "Are you %(name)s" % locals() # or vars() This partly solves the problem, however, you  can't work with expressions inside, like: > d"sin($x$) = $sin(x)$" Also, what if locals() or vars() does not contain the variable "x"? (x could be nonlocal or global). > It's more conservative than hos

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread Yingjie Lan
... > That, by the way, is perhaps the biggest problem with this idea of  > dynamic strings: not that it is too powerful, but that it is TOO WEAK.  ... > and similar for both format() and Template. Seems you miss understood my notion of dynamic string. Dynamic strings are expressions in disguise

I look for a package to make some simple console "form"

2012-04-02 Thread Stéphane Klein
Hi, I look for a package to make some console "form". It's a standard stuff, I think there are a package to do that. Example : What is your name ? Select your lang [EN, FR, DE…] ? Do you want … [Y, N] ? Type of field : * textline * select choice * boolean question Thank for your help, Stéph

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread Laurent Claessens
Seems you miss understood my notion of dynamic string. Dynamic strings are expressions in disguise: the things in between $...$ are plain old expressions (with optional formatting specifications). They are evaluated as if they were outside the dynamic string. We put them in there to to kill two

Re: I look for a package to make some simple console "form"

2012-04-02 Thread Jean-Michel Pichavant
Stéphane Klein wrote: Hi, I look for a package to make some console "form". It's a standard stuff, I think there are a package to do that. Example : What is your name ? Select your lang [EN, FR, DE…] ? Do you want … [Y, N] ? Type of field : * textline * select choice * boolean question Tha

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2012-04-02 Thread Javier
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2012-04-02 Thread Jean-Michel Pichavant
Itzik Kotler wrote: Hi All, I'm pleased to announce the first beta release of Pythonect interpreter. Pythonect is a new, experimental, general-purpose dataflow programming language based on Python. It aims to combine the intuitive feel of shell scripting (and all of its perks like implicit

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread Yingjie Lan
> like this one ? > > b = dict(name="Sue", job="SAS sharp-shooter") > print "$b['name']$ works as b['job']" > > Is it really easier to read that the following ? > "{0} works as {1}".format(b['name'],b['job']) > > In the case in which b is an object having "job" and "name" > attribute, the dyna

Re: I look for a package to make some simple console "form"

2012-04-02 Thread Stéphane Klein
Le 02/04/2012 15:54, Jean-Michel Pichavant a écrit : Stéphane Klein wrote: Hi, I look for a package to make some console "form". It's a standard stuff, I think there are a package to do that. Example : What is your name ? Select your lang [EN, FR, DE…] ? Do you want … [Y, N] ? Type of field

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread mwilson
Yingjie Lan wrote: > Seems you miss understood my notion of dynamic string. > Dynamic strings are expressions in disguise: the things > in between $...$ are plain old expressions (with optional > formatting specifications). They are evaluated > as if they were outside the dynamic string. In that

Re: I look for a package to make some simple console "form"

2012-04-02 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2012-04-02, St?phane Klein wrote: > Le 02/04/2012 15:54, Jean-Michel Pichavant a ?crit : >> St?phane Klein wrote: >>> >>> I look for a package to make some console "form". >>> >>> It's a standard stuff, I think there are a package to do that. >>> >>> Example : >>> >>> What is your name ? >>> Se

Re: I look for a package to make some simple console "form"

2012-04-02 Thread Jean-Michel Pichavant
Stéphane Klein wrote: Le 02/04/2012 15:54, Jean-Michel Pichavant a écrit : Stéphane Klein wrote: Hi, I look for a package to make some console "form". It's a standard stuff, I think there are a package to do that. Example : What is your name ? Select your lang [EN, FR, DE…] ? Do you want …

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Yingjie Lan wrote: >  "Are you "+name+"?" >> >> That allows arbitrary expressions and everything. >> > > To make that work for any type, you need: > "Are you "+ str(name) + "?" > > Another concern is performance. > > You are absolutely right, they are > equ

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread mwilson
mwil...@the-wire.com wrote: > Yingjie Lan wrote: >> Seems you miss understood my notion of dynamic string. >> Dynamic strings are expressions in disguise: the things >> in between $...$ are plain old expressions (with optional >> formatting specifications). They are evaluated >> as if they were ou

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread Yingjie Lan
> Right, meaning that both have the same issues  > of performance, need for > str(), etc. There's absolutely no difference. OK, performance. Here is a new solution:   Suppose we have a new string method     str.format_join([...]) taking a list of strings and objects, with even-indexed ones being

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread Yingjie Lan
>>   In that case you should re-think the delimiters, so that you have >>   something >> that can be nested.  An example (example only, I'm not in love with it > as >> a final form): Haven't really thought about that. Nesting is a big  issue if in the embedded expression, there is another  dyn

Re: [RELEASED] Python 3.3.0 alpha 2

2012-04-02 Thread Ned Deily
In article <4f794c1a.7020...@gmail.com>, Andrew Berg wrote: > > To download Python 3.3.0 visit: > > > > http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.3.0/ > The Windows links point to 3.3a1 installers, even though the links say > 3.3a2. Thanks for the heads up. The links have now been updated to p

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 00:58:38 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > Maybe. But it (percent-notation) is expressive and insanely powerful. > Moreover, it obeys the rule that you pay for the complexity you use, no > more and no less. (Although I think there's one lack in Python's > implementation - I can't

Re: I look for a package to make some simple console "form"

2012-04-02 Thread Stephane Klein
Le 02/04/2012 16:52, Jean-Michel Pichavant a écrit : Stéphane Klein wrote: Le 02/04/2012 15:54, Jean-Michel Pichavant a écrit : Stéphane Klein wrote: Hi, I look for a package to make some console "form". It's a standard stuff, I think there are a package to do that. Example : What is your

Re: Number of languages known [was Re: Python is readable] - somewhat OT

2012-04-02 Thread Ethan Furman
Tim Rowe wrote: On 22 March 2012 19:14, Chris Angelico wrote: In any case, though, I agree that there's a lot of people professionally writing code who would know about the 3-4 that you say. I'm just not sure that they're any good at coding, even in those few languages. All the best people I'v

Re: I look for a package to make some simple console "form"

2012-04-02 Thread J. Cliff Dyer
You might look into formencode. It basically takes the philosophy that a form is nothing more and nothing less than an interface between user input and python data. It doesn't make assumptions about how you present the form to the user. It just handles validation and conversion of that data into

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Hi, I have a WinXP PC running an SSH server and I have a Linux PC with an SSH client and logged into the XP seemingly OK. It's all on my personal LAN, the connection seems OK. I have a py file on the XP that I run via SSH from the Linux, it's: import webbrowser webbrowser.open('www.google.com')

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Re: Best way to structure data for efficient searching

2012-04-02 Thread larry.mart...@gmail.com
On Mar 28, 1:52 pm, Jon Clements wrote: > On Wednesday, 28 March 2012 19:39:54 UTC+1, larry@gmail.com  wrote: > > I have the following use case: > > > I have a set of data that is contains 3 fields, K1, K2 and a > > timestamp. There are duplicates in the data set, and they all have to > > proc

Best way to structure data for efficient searching

2012-04-02 Thread larry.mart...@gmail.com
I have the following use case: I have a set of data that is contains 3 fields, K1, K2 and a timestamp. There are duplicates in the data set, and they all have to processed. Then I have another set of data with 4 fields: K3, K4, K5, and a timestamp. There are also duplicates in that data set, and

Re: Best way to structure data for efficient searching

2012-04-02 Thread Jon Clements
On Wednesday, 28 March 2012 19:39:54 UTC+1, larry@gmail.com wrote: > I have the following use case: > > I have a set of data that is contains 3 fields, K1, K2 and a > timestamp. There are duplicates in the data set, and they all have to > processed. > > Then I have another set of data with 4

No os.copy()? Why not?

2012-04-02 Thread John Ladasky
I'm looking for a Python (2.7) equivalent to the Unix "cp" command. Since the equivalents of "rm" and "mkdir" are in the os module, I figured I look there. I haven't found anything in the documentation. I am also looking through the Python source code in os.py and its child, posixfile.py. Any hel

Re: weird behaviour: pygame plays in shell but not in script

2012-04-02 Thread Mik
I can't believe I am so dumb! after sound.play() the script was terminating I didn't notice that 'play()' actually returns... What a nice way to introduce myself to the group!!! :-) sorry for bothering you guys :-) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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2012-04-02 Thread Steve Howell
On Mar 28, 6:55 pm, Ben Finney wrote: > Steven D'Aprano writes: > > (By the way, I have to question the design of an exception with error > > codes. That seems pretty poor design to me. Normally the exception *type* > > acts as equivalent to an error code.) > > Have a look at Python's built-in OS

Re: Number of languages known [was Re: Python is readable] - somewhat OT

2012-04-02 Thread Steve Howell
On Mar 29, 7:03 am, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Nathan Rice > > wrote: > > We would be better off if all the time that was spent on learning > > syntax, memorizing library organization and becoming proficient with > > new tools was spent learning the mathematics, log

Re: Best way to structure data for efficient searching

2012-04-02 Thread Asen Bozhilov
Larry.Mart wrote: > Since there are duplicates, I can't use a dict. And if I have any > extraneous data in the keys (i.e. something to make them unique) then > I still have to walk through the entire dict to find the matches. You can use slightly different approach. With double mapping you could

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I am attempting to subclass the date class from the datetime package. Basically I want a subclass that can take the date as a string (in multiple formats), parse the string and derive the year,month and day information to create a date instance i.e. class MyDate(datetime.date): def __init__(

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Re: Number of languages known [was Re: Python is readable] - somewhat OT

2012-04-02 Thread Steve Howell
On Mar 29, 11:53 am, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: > Well, what sort of language differences make for English vs Mandarin? > Relational algebraic-style programming is useful, but definitely a > large language barrier to people that don't know any SQL. I think this > is reasonable. (It would not matter

Re: Python Script Works Locally But Not Remotely with SSH

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Re: help with subclassing problem

2012-04-02 Thread Jon Clements
On Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:23:20 UTC+1, Peter wrote: > I am attempting to subclass the date class from the datetime package. > Basically I want a subclass that can take the date as a string (in multiple > formats), parse the string and derive the year,month and day information to > create a

weird behaviour: pygame plays in shell but not in script

2012-04-02 Thread Mik
Dear all, I am a bit frustrated by the following as I believe it is something silly that I am not able to see. I am using python 2.7.1+ under ubuntu. When I run the following script as in $python script.py I do not get any sound out of it BUT if I run every line in the python shell it works grea

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Re: weird behaviour: pygame plays in shell but not in script

2012-04-02 Thread alex23
On Mar 29, 10:41 pm, Mik wrote: > What a nice way to introduce myself to the group!!! :-) Hey, don't beat yourself up, you: - summarised the problem in the subject heading - included actual code showing the problem - reported back on the problem you found That puts you ahead of most new post

Re: Python is readable

2012-04-02 Thread Steve Howell
On Mar 29, 9:38 pm, Nathan Rice wrote: > The mathematics of the 20th century, (from the early 30s onward) tend > to get VERY abstract, in just the way Joel decries.  Category theory, > model theory, modern algebraic geometry, topos theory, algebraic graph > theory, abstract algebras and topologic

Re: Python is readable

2012-04-02 Thread rusi
On Mar 30, 9:02 pm, Steve Howell wrote: > Steven, how do you predict which abstractions are going to be useless? > > There was a time when imaginary numbers were just little toys that the > mathematicians played around with in their ivory towers. A non-science/math analogous question: When Beet

Re: weird behaviour: pygame plays in shell but not in script

2012-04-02 Thread Mik
Oh thanks alex! that's kind! PS: It looks like a party indeed: plenty of interesting discussions :-) On Mar 30, 4:33 am, alex23 wrote: > On Mar 29, 10:41 pm, Mik wrote: > > > What a nice way to introduce myself to the group!!! :-) > > Hey, don't beat yourself up, you: > >  - summarised the prob

Re: No os.copy()? Why not?

2012-04-02 Thread John Ladasky
On Mar 28, 9:50 pm, alex23 wrote: > On Mar 29, 6:12 am, John Ladasky wrote: > > > I'm looking for a Python (2.7) equivalent to the Unix "cp" command. > > Any help?  Thanks. > > Try the shutil module:http://docs.python.org/library/shutil.html Many thanks! That's what I was looking for. -- http:

Re: Number of languages known [was Re: Python is readable] - somewhat OT

2012-04-02 Thread Steve Howell
On Mar 29, 9:42 am, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: > On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > > You can't merge all of them without making a language that's > > suboptimal at most of those tasks - probably, one that's woeful at all > > of them. I mention SQL because, even if you were to

Re: Is Programing Art or Science?

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Re: weird behaviour: pygame plays in shell but not in script

2012-04-02 Thread rusi
On Mar 30, 8:33 am, alex23 wrote: > On Mar 29, 10:41 pm, Mik wrote: > > > What a nice way to introduce myself to the group!!! :-) > > Hey, don't beat yourself up, you: > >  - summarised the problem in the subject heading >  - included actual code showing the problem >  - reported back on the prob

Re: Python is readable

2012-04-02 Thread Steve Howell
On Mar 29, 8:36 pm, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > The Romans had perfectly functioning concrete without any abstract > understanding of chemistry. If I ever stumbled upon a technology that proved how useless abstract thinking was, do you know what I would call it? "Concrete." Damn, those clever Rom

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Hi, I'm able to connect to an Exchange server via SMTP and IMAP from my iPhone using SSL and without using a VPN. So I would expect to be able to do the same from my computer using Python. However, the following hangs and times out on my computer when I'm not connected to the VPN: >>> import ima

Re: Python is readable

2012-04-02 Thread Steve Howell
On Mar 30, 1:20 pm, Chris Angelico wrote: > > Really?  Or could it be that algorithms for natural language > > processing that don't fail miserably is a very recent development, > > restricted natural languages more recent still, and pretty much all > > commonly used programming languages are all

Re: Number of languages known [was Re: Python is readable] - somewhat OT

2012-04-02 Thread rusi
On Mar 30, 4:37 am, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: > On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Nathan Rice > > wrote: > > Well, a lisp-like language.  I would also argue that if you are using > > macros to do anything, the thing you are trying to do should classify > > as "not natural in lisp" :) > > You would r

Re: Number of languages known [was Re: Python is readable] - somewhat OT

2012-04-02 Thread Steve Howell
On Mar 31, 1:13 pm, Tim Rowe wrote: > > I know 10 languages. But I'm not telling you what base that number is :) > Well, that means you know at least two programming languages, which puts you ahead of a lot of people. :) Some folks, when confronted with a problem, decide to solve it with binary

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I pine for the fjords. And it's time to bring "Python-URL!" to a close. "Python-URL!", which Jean-Claude Wippler and I appear to have launched in 1998, has reached the end of its utility. We still have many loyal and enthusiastic readers--one subscription request arrived within the last day, in

Re: Python is readable

2012-04-02 Thread alex23
On Mar 31, 2:02 am, Steve Howell wrote: > Steven, how do you predict which abstractions are going to be useless? A useless abstraction is one that does nothing to simplify a problem *now*: > being so fixated on over-arching abstract > concepts that, far from those abstractions making it easier t

Re: Python is readable

2012-04-02 Thread Steve Howell
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Re: Python is readable

2012-04-02 Thread Steve Howell
On Apr 1, 8:30 pm, alex23 wrote: > On Mar 31, 2:02 am, Steve Howell wrote: > > > Steven, how do you predict which abstractions are going to be useless? > > A useless abstraction is one that does nothing to simplify a problem > *now*: That's the very definition of short-sighted thinking. If it d

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread Steve Howell
On Mar 31, 3:29 am, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 3/31/2012 2:22 AM, Yingjie Lan wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > I'd really like to share this idea of string interpolation for formatting. > > Let's start with some code: > > >  >>> name = "Shrek" > >  >>> print( "Hi, $name$!") > > Hi, Shrek! > >  >>> balls =

why can't I pickle a class containing this dispatch dictionary?

2012-04-02 Thread jkn
Hi All I'm clearly not understanding the 'can't pickle instancemethod objects' error; can someone help me to understand, & maybe suggest a workaround, (apart from the obvious if ... elif...). I'm running Python 2.6 on an embedded system. == testpickle.py == import pickle class Test(object):

588 Python programs

2012-04-02 Thread Steve Howell
Hi everyone, I have compiled over 500 Python programs from the Rosetta Code website in this page: http://shpaml.webfactional.com/misc/RosettaCoffee/python.htm For those of you unfamiliar with Rosetta Code, you can read more here: http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Rosetta_Code For the record,

Re: No os.copy()? Why not?

2012-04-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:12 PM, John Ladasky wrote: > I'm looking for a Python (2.7) equivalent to the Unix "cp" command. > Since the equivalents of "rm" and "mkdir" are in the os module, I > figured I look there.  I haven't found anything in the documentation. > I am also looking through the Pyt

Re: Python Script Works Locally But Not Remotely with SSH

2012-04-02 Thread goldtech
Bump(?) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: No os.copy()? Why not?

2012-04-02 Thread HoneyMonster
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 13:12:30 -0700, John Ladasky wrote: > I'm looking for a Python (2.7) equivalent to the Unix "cp" command. > Since the equivalents of "rm" and "mkdir" are in the os module, I > figured I look there. I haven't found anything in the documentation. > I am also looking through the

Re: Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread Evan Driscoll
On 01/-10/-28163 01:59 PM, Yingjie Lan wrote: Because of the d"..." format, it won't affect old ways of doing things one bit. Allowing dynamic string wouldn't hurt a bit to anything that is already there. Why don't you just write a function that does it? I think someone already suggested this.

Re: Best way to structure data for efficient searching

2012-04-02 Thread Peter Otten
larry.mart...@gmail.com wrote: > I have the following use case: > > I have a set of data that is contains 3 fields, K1, K2 and a > timestamp. There are duplicates in the data set, and they all have to > processed. > > Then I have another set of data with 4 fields: K3, K4, K5, and a > timestamp.

Re: Python Script Works Locally But Not Remotely with SSH

2012-04-02 Thread Jedrzej Krzysztof Dec
On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:51:37 AM UTC+2, goldtech wrote: > Hi, > > I have a WinXP PC running an SSH server and I have a Linux PC with an > SSH client and logged into the XP seemingly OK. It's all on my > personal LAN, the connection seems OK. > > I have a py file on the XP that I run via S

Re: Is Programing Art or Science?

2012-04-02 Thread Pascal J. Bourguignon
ccc31807 writes: > Programming is neither an art nor a science, but a trade. > > It's not an art in the sense of painting, music, dance, poetry, etc., > because the objective isn't to make a beautiful something, but to give > instructions to a machine to accomplish some useful task. > > It's not

Re: Number of languages known [was Re: Python is readable] - somewhat OT

2012-04-02 Thread alex23
On Mar 30, 3:37 pm, Nathan Rice wrote: > We live in a world where the tools that are used are based on > tradition (read that as backwards compatibility if it makes you feel > better) and as a mechanism for deriving personal identity.  The world > is backwards and retarded in many, many ways, this

Re: Python is readable

2012-04-02 Thread alex23
On Mar 31, 6:30 am, Neil Cerutti wrote: > See, for example, Inform 7, which translates a subset of English > into Inform 6 code. I never thought too deeply about why I > disliked it, assuming it was because I already knew Inform 6. I've always respected Inform 7 while being also unwilling to use

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread rusi
On Apr 2, 2:11 pm, Yingjie Lan wrote: > Almost as terse, but not as readable, especially... Hi Yingjie, Just in case you are not a native speaker of English, 'terse' is a mildly pejorative word, ie it is not 'good'. You probably want to use something like 'concise', or just plain 'short.' As fo

Re: Threads on google groups not on gmane?

2012-04-02 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 02/04/2012 12:23, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: Robert Kern writes: I also don't see these on GMane. It's possible that they are getting caught in one of GMane's several levels of spam filtering. I'm seeing some weird issues where google gro

AddNamedItem throws exception

2012-04-02 Thread David Manns
We have a scripting engine interface in our application. This works fine for loading/calling VBscript and Javascript scripting engines, but PythonScript fails. Specifically, it fails at : m_pAxsScript->AddNamedItem("application", SCRIPTITEM_NAMEDITEM) where m_pAxsScript is the IActiveScript int

Re: Will MySQL ever be supported for Python 3.x?

2012-04-02 Thread Jason
On Sunday, April 1, 2012 1:54:14 AM UTC-4, Tim Roberts wrote: > John Nagle wrote: > > >On 3/30/2012 2:32 PM, Irmen de Jong wrote: > >> Try Oursql instead http://packages.python.org/oursql/ > >> "oursql is a new set of MySQL bindings for python 2.4+, including python > >> 3.x" > > > >Not eve

Re: Python-URL! - weekly Python news and links (Mar 31)

2012-04-02 Thread nn
On Mar 31, 11:38 am, Cameron Laird wrote: > I pine for the fjords. > > And it's time to bring "Python-URL!" to a close.  "Python-URL!", which > Jean-Claude Wippler and I appear to have launched in 1998, has reached > the end of its utility.  We still have many loyal and enthusiastic > readers--one

Re: string interpolation for python

2012-04-02 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 4:56 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 00:58:38 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> I can't find a way to use an argument more than once, >> without switching to "dictionary mode" and using keys for everything. > > Ack. > > In this case, you can use format: > >>

Re: why can't I pickle a class containing this dispatch dictionary?

2012-04-02 Thread Michael Hrivnak
Pickle cannot pickle a reference to an instance method. So the problem is that self.myDict has values which are references to instance methods. Without questioning what this is trying to do or why (I assume it's a proof of concept), here is a way to make it picklable: http://pastebin.com/1zqE52mD

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