Hello Luis, all, Luis Falcon writes:
> Hello, Alfred > > Thank you for your mail and for your comments. > > On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 04:33:03 -0500 > "Alfred M. Szmidt" <a...@gnu.org> wrote: > >> Sorry, I've waited too long. I have started the migration o the GNU >> Health mercurial repository to OSDN. It's a pity, but it seems >> like the requests over these years for the modernization of Savannah >> have not been taken into consideration. >> >> They have, but like all volunteer projects -- someone has to do the >> work. Would you like to help with that? Nothing will happen, nor >> will it help Savannah or the GNU project if everyone does nothing. >> > > Please, let's stop using the volunteer job as an excuse. Many of us > volunteer in different projects, not just technical. Volunteering > implies commitment. IMHO it is not an excuse; it's simply the fact of the matter. > Don't take this personal, is not directed to anyone in particular. What > I mean is that sysadmin or management o Savannah can not be something > that we do in our spare time or if we feel like doing it. The FSF sysadmins watch over the various GNU servers, including Savannah's array of servers, as part of their job. However, to my understanding, non-operational and close management of the actual services running on the Savannah servers is not part of their duties. Rather, it's on 'Savannah hackers' to do so, and whether we like it or not, it is something that is done in their spare time, on a best-effort basis. [...] >> >> I suggest that GNU health moves back to savannah, it isn't too late to >> do this. > > GNU Health is still in Savannah. Mailing lists, bugs, tasks, news, file > releases are in place and operational. > >> What needs to be done for this to happen? > > This is the deal... If by tomorrow we have the repositories in GNU, I > will set the newly created repositories at OSDN as read-only > Here is the list of repositories: > https://osdn.net/projects/gnu-health/scm/ > > This deadline is not capricious. Reverting this decision supposes a big > effort for me and for the community. Because of the history of the > project and the relation with GNU, I am willing to give it one more try, > but we can not halt the project development. At the end of the day, it > takes two to tango. IMO that is an *incredibly* tight deadline which could easily be missed. Anyhow, I did following to create the repositories you had requested: cd /srv/hg/ ln -s health health-hmis mkdir health-{hmis-client,fhir-server,thalamus,federation-portal,mygnuhealth} for d in health-{hmis-client,fhir-server,thalamus,federation-portal,mygnuhealth}; \ do cd "$d" && hg init && cd .. && chown -R root:health "$d"; done I made health-hmis a symlink to health; but for some reason it was not being picked up by hgweb. I had to add health-hmis = /srv/hg/health-hmis into /etc/mercurial/hgwebdir.conf (and now it appears near the top, far from other health-* repos). Bob, any thoughts/ideas as to why? Luis, if the repo names with dashes are not acceptable and you prefer subdirectories under health/ (for example, health/thalamus instead of health-thalamus), we may be able to arrange for it, but it would likely require adding a .hgignore file in the 'health' repository to ignore the said subdirectories, so as to help avoid accidentally committing changes in those repositories through the parent repository. What do you think? > We need the freedom to manage our computing resources at GNU.org. > It's ironic, but we're failing on the very concept that we want the > community to follow, the freedom to manage their computing resources. > > For instance, we should, as project administrators, have shell access to > create and manage the needed resources, or an alternative that won't > require us having to ask the GNU sysadmins to do it for us. Requesting > help from sysadmins should be a last resort, in case of emergency. The > management of our projects should be done by ourselves. I agree that the general workflow(s) around Savannah could be improved. But this is what we have right now; please let's try our best to keep working with each other and continue moving things forward with it, until such time that a more convenient solution is available. :-) >> >> I even asked in the meantime to manually create some additional >> repositories, but I never got an answer. >> >> Did you remind them? It might be that they simply missed it. > > How many times? I asked to sysadmin to create the repos, then I was > re-directed to Savannah hackers, start from zero again, to reach this > dead-end, where I had no other choice than to host the repositories > outside GNU.org Please see my earlier explanation in this message about the sysad...@gnu.org folks not being the ones best suited to handle such requests. These requests should come directly to us Savannah hackers, either via this very mailing list, or via the https://savannah.nongnu.org/support/?group=administration 'Support' tracker, which sends a copy of each request and its replies to this list. > I feel awkward asking for things over and over again. I don't want to > bother anyone. [...] If you don't get a reply within, say, a week, please feel free to send another email to bump your request. As Alfred mentioned, it could be a simple case of it being missed. This is also true and common practice for the mailing list(s) of many other parts of GNU. > > Best, > Luis Thank you for your patience, and for bearing with us as we work through this. Best, amin
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