Henning, I've attached the output of 'sane-find-scanner' and 'sane-find-scanner -v -v', both run as root.
If you have any ideas of how to make this work with sane, i'd really appreciate it. Alternatively, if you know of any card-sized scanners that are well supported by sane, that would also be very useful for me. Thank you, Jim McQuillan j...@ltsp.org Henning Meier-Geinitz wrote: > Hi, > > On 2006-01-19 16:40, Jim McQuillan wrote: > >> I picked up a ScanShell 800N, but sadly, it doesn't appear to be >> supported by SANE. >> > > Google finds only 160 hits for "ScanShell 800N". Either it's really > new or it's rather uncommon. > > >> 3) Writing a new driver for the 800N >> > > Only the standard one: look at www.sane-project.org, section > "Contributing". > > >> found USB scanner (vendor=0x0a82, product=0x6605, chip=LM983x?) at >> libusb:004:006 >> > > 0x0a82 seems to be used by Syscan. > Run it as root to check if it's really a LM983x chip. > > Please also send the "sane-find-scanner -v -v" output as root. > > Bye, > Henning > > -------------- next part -------------- # sane-find-scanner will now attempt to detect your scanner. If the # result is different from what you expected, first make sure your # scanner is powered up and properly connected to your computer. # No SCSI scanners found. If you expected something different, make sure that # you have loaded a SCSI driver for your SCSI adapter. # Also you need support for SCSI Generic (sg) in your operating system. # If using Linux, try "modprobe sg". found USB scanner (vendor=0x0a82 [Card Scanning Solutions], product=0x6605 [CSSN-SCANSHELL 800N], chip=LM9832/3) at libusb:004:002 # Your USB scanner was (probably) detected. It may or may not be supported by # SANE. Try scanimage -L and read the backend's manpage. # Not checking for parallel port scanners. # Most Scanners connected to the parallel port or other proprietary ports # can't be detected by this program. -------------- next part -------------- This is sane-find-scanner from sane-backends 1.0.15 # sane-find-scanner will now attempt to detect your scanner. If the # result is different from what you expected, first make sure your # scanner is powered up and properly connected to your computer. searching for SCSI scanners: checking /dev/scanner... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sg0... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sg1... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sg2... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sg3... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sg4... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sg5... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sg6... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sg7... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sg8... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sg9... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sga... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sgb... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sgc... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sgd... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sge... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sgf... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sgg... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sgh... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sgi... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sgj... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sgk... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sgl... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sgm... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sgn... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sgo... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sgp... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sgq... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sgr... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sgs... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sgt... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sgu... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sgv... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sgw... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sgx... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sgy... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/sgz... failed to open (Invalid argument) # No SCSI scanners found. If you expected something different, make sure that # you have loaded a SCSI driver for your SCSI adapter. # Also you need support for SCSI Generic (sg) in your operating system. # If using Linux, try "modprobe sg". searching for USB scanners: checking /dev/usb/scanner... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usb/scanner0... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usb/scanner1... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usb/scanner2... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usb/scanner3... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usb/scanner4... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usb/scanner5... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usb/scanner5... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usb/scanner7... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usb/scanner8... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usb/scanner9... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usb/scanner10... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usb/scanner11... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usb/scanner12... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usb/scanner13... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usb/scanner14... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usb/scanner15... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usbscanner... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usbscanner0... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usbscanner1... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usbscanner2... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usbscanner3... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usbscanner4... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usbscanner5... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usbscanner6... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usbscanner7... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usbscanner8... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usbscanner9... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usbscanner10... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usbscanner11... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usbscanner12... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usbscanner13... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usbscanner14... failed to open (Invalid argument) checking /dev/usbscanner15... failed to open (Invalid argument) trying libusb: <device descriptor of 0x0000/0x0000 at 005:001 (Linux 2.6.12-10-686 ehci_hcd Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller)> bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 2.00 bDeviceClass 9 bDeviceSubClass 0 bDeviceProtocol 1 bMaxPacketSize0 8 idVendor 0x0000 idProduct 0x0000 bcdDevice 2.06 iManufacturer 3 (Linux 2.6.12-10-686 ehci_hcd) iProduct 2 (Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller) iSerialNumber 1 (0000:00:1d.7) bNumConfigurations 1 <configuration 0> bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 25 bNumInterfaces 1 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 () bmAttributes 224 (Self-poweredRemote Wakeup) MaxPower 0 mA <interface 0> <altsetting 0> bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 1 bInterfaceClass 9 bInterfaceSubClass 0 bInterfaceProtocol 0 iInterface 0 () <endpoint 0> bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 (in 0x01) bmAttributes 3 (interrupt) wMaxPacketSize 2 bInterval 12 ms bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 <device descriptor of 0x0a82/0x6605 at 004:002 (Card Scanning Solutions CSSN-SCANSHELL 800N)> bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 1.00 bDeviceClass 0 bDeviceSubClass 0 bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize0 8 idVendor 0x0A82 idProduct 0x6605 bcdDevice 1.00 iManufacturer 64 (Card Scanning Solutions) iProduct 113 (CSSN-SCANSHELL 800N) iSerialNumber 0 () bNumConfigurations 1 <configuration 0> bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 39 bNumInterfaces 1 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 () bmAttributes 160 (Remote Wakeup) MaxPower 500 mA <interface 0> <altsetting 0> bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 3 bInterfaceClass 255 bInterfaceSubClass 0 bInterfaceProtocol 255 iInterface 0 () <endpoint 0> bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 (in 0x01) bmAttributes 3 (interrupt) wMaxPacketSize 1 bInterval 16 ms bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 <endpoint 1> bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x82 (in 0x02) bmAttributes 2 (bulk) wMaxPacketSize 64 bInterval 0 ms bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 <endpoint 2> bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x03 (out 0x03) bmAttributes 2 (bulk) wMaxPacketSize 64 bInterval 0 ms bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 <trying to find out which USB chip is used> checking for GT-6801 ... this is not a GT-6801 (bDeviceClass = 0) checking for GT-6816 ... this is not a GT-6816 (bcdUSB = 0x100) checking for GT-8911 ... this is not a GT-8911 (check 2, bcdUSB = 0x100) checking for MA-1017 ... this is not a MA-1017 (bDeviceClass = 0, bInterfaceClass = 255) checking for MA-1015 ... this is not a MA-1015 (bDeviceClass = 0) checking for MA-1509 ... this is not a MA-1509 (bDeviceClass = 0) checking for LM983[1,2,3] ... <This USB chip looks like a LM9832/3> found USB scanner (vendor=0x0a82 [Card Scanning Solutions], product=0x6605 [CSSN-SCANSHELL 800N], chip=LM9832/3) at libusb:004:002 <device descriptor of 0x0000/0x0000 at 004:001 (Linux 2.6.12-10-686 uhci_hcd Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #4)> bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 1.10 bDeviceClass 9 bDeviceSubClass 0 bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize0 8 idVendor 0x0000 idProduct 0x0000 bcdDevice 2.06 iManufacturer 3 (Linux 2.6.12-10-686 uhci_hcd) iProduct 2 (Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #4) iSerialNumber 1 (0000:00:1d.3) bNumConfigurations 1 <configuration 0> bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 25 bNumInterfaces 1 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 () bmAttributes 192 (Self-powered) MaxPower 0 mA <interface 0> <altsetting 0> bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 1 bInterfaceClass 9 bInterfaceSubClass 0 bInterfaceProtocol 0 iInterface 0 () <endpoint 0> bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 (in 0x01) bmAttributes 3 (interrupt) wMaxPacketSize 2 bInterval 255 ms bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 <device descriptor of 0x0000/0x0000 at 003:001 (Linux 2.6.12-10-686 uhci_hcd Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #3)> bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 1.10 bDeviceClass 9 bDeviceSubClass 0 bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize0 8 idVendor 0x0000 idProduct 0x0000 bcdDevice 2.06 iManufacturer 3 (Linux 2.6.12-10-686 uhci_hcd) iProduct 2 (Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #3) iSerialNumber 1 (0000:00:1d.2) bNumConfigurations 1 <configuration 0> bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 25 bNumInterfaces 1 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 () bmAttributes 192 (Self-powered) MaxPower 0 mA <interface 0> <altsetting 0> bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 1 bInterfaceClass 9 bInterfaceSubClass 0 bInterfaceProtocol 0 iInterface 0 () <endpoint 0> bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 (in 0x01) bmAttributes 3 (interrupt) wMaxPacketSize 2 bInterval 255 ms bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 <device descriptor of 0x413c/0x8103 at 002:003> bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 2.00 bDeviceClass 224 bDeviceSubClass 1 bDeviceProtocol 1 bMaxPacketSize0 64 idVendor 0x413C idProduct 0x8103 bcdDevice 22.57 iManufacturer 0 () iProduct 0 () iSerialNumber 0 () bNumConfigurations 1 <configuration 0> bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 193 bNumInterfaces 3 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 () bmAttributes 224 (Self-poweredRemote Wakeup) MaxPower 0 mA <interface 0> <altsetting 0> bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 3 bInterfaceClass 224 bInterfaceSubClass 1 bInterfaceProtocol 1 iInterface 0 () <endpoint 0> bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 (in 0x01) bmAttributes 3 (interrupt) wMaxPacketSize 16 bInterval 1 ms bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 <endpoint 1> bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x02 (out 0x02) bmAttributes 2 (bulk) wMaxPacketSize 64 bInterval 1 ms bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 <endpoint 2> bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x82 (in 0x02) bmAttributes 2 (bulk) wMaxPacketSize 64 bInterval 1 ms bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 <interface 1> <altsetting 0> bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 1 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 2 bInterfaceClass 224 bInterfaceSubClass 1 bInterfaceProtocol 1 iInterface 0 () <endpoint 0> bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x03 (out 0x03) bmAttributes 1 (isochronous) wMaxPacketSize 0 bInterval 1 ms bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 <endpoint 1> bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x83 (in 0x03) bmAttributes 1 (isochronous) wMaxPacketSize 0 bInterval 1 ms bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 <altsetting 1> bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 1 bAlternateSetting 1 bNumEndpoints 2 bInterfaceClass 224 bInterfaceSubClass 1 bInterfaceProtocol 1 iInterface 0 () <endpoint 0> bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x03 (out 0x03) bmAttributes 1 (isochronous) wMaxPacketSize 9 bInterval 1 ms bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 <endpoint 1> bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x83 (in 0x03) bmAttributes 1 (isochronous) wMaxPacketSize 9 bInterval 1 ms bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 <altsetting 2> bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 1 bAlternateSetting 2 bNumEndpoints 2 bInterfaceClass 224 bInterfaceSubClass 1 bInterfaceProtocol 1 iInterface 0 () <endpoint 0> bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x03 (out 0x03) bmAttributes 1 (isochronous) wMaxPacketSize 17 bInterval 1 ms bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 <endpoint 1> bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x83 (in 0x03) bmAttributes 1 (isochronous) wMaxPacketSize 17 bInterval 1 ms bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 <altsetting 3> bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 1 bAlternateSetting 3 bNumEndpoints 2 bInterfaceClass 224 bInterfaceSubClass 1 bInterfaceProtocol 1 iInterface 0 () <endpoint 0> bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x03 (out 0x03) bmAttributes 1 (isochronous) wMaxPacketSize 25 bInterval 1 ms bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 <endpoint 1> bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x83 (in 0x03) bmAttributes 1 (isochronous) wMaxPacketSize 25 bInterval 1 ms bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 <altsetting 4> bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 1 bAlternateSetting 4 bNumEndpoints 2 bInterfaceClass 224 bInterfaceSubClass 1 bInterfaceProtocol 1 iInterface 0 () <endpoint 0> bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x03 (out 0x03) bmAttributes 1 (isochronous) wMaxPacketSize 33 bInterval 1 ms bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 <endpoint 1> bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x83 (in 0x03) bmAttributes 1 (isochronous) wMaxPacketSize 33 bInterval 1 ms bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 <altsetting 5> bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 1 bAlternateSetting 5 bNumEndpoints 2 bInterfaceClass 224 bInterfaceSubClass 1 bInterfaceProtocol 1 iInterface 0 () <endpoint 0> bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x03 (out 0x03) bmAttributes 1 (isochronous) wMaxPacketSize 49 bInterval 1 ms bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 <endpoint 1> bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x83 (in 0x03) bmAttributes 1 (isochronous) wMaxPacketSize 49 bInterval 1 ms bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 <interface 2> <altsetting 0> bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 2 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 0 bInterfaceClass 254 bInterfaceSubClass 1 bInterfaceProtocol 0 iInterface 0 () <device descriptor of 0x0000/0x0000 at 002:001 (Linux 2.6.12-10-686 uhci_hcd Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #2)> bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 1.10 bDeviceClass 9 bDeviceSubClass 0 bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize0 8 idVendor 0x0000 idProduct 0x0000 bcdDevice 2.06 iManufacturer 3 (Linux 2.6.12-10-686 uhci_hcd) iProduct 2 (Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #2) iSerialNumber 1 (0000:00:1d.1) bNumConfigurations 1 <configuration 0> bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 25 bNumInterfaces 1 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 () bmAttributes 192 (Self-powered) MaxPower 0 mA <interface 0> <altsetting 0> bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 1 bInterfaceClass 9 bInterfaceSubClass 0 bInterfaceProtocol 0 iInterface 0 () <endpoint 0> bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 (in 0x01) bmAttributes 3 (interrupt) wMaxPacketSize 2 bInterval 255 ms bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 <device descriptor of 0x0000/0x0000 at 001:001 (Linux 2.6.12-10-686 uhci_hcd Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #1)> bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 1.10 bDeviceClass 9 bDeviceSubClass 0 bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize0 8 idVendor 0x0000 idProduct 0x0000 bcdDevice 2.06 iManufacturer 3 (Linux 2.6.12-10-686 uhci_hcd) iProduct 2 (Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #1) iSerialNumber 1 (0000:00:1d.0) bNumConfigurations 1 <configuration 0> bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 25 bNumInterfaces 1 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 () bmAttributes 192 (Self-powered) MaxPower 0 mA <interface 0> <altsetting 0> bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 1 bInterfaceClass 9 bInterfaceSubClass 0 bInterfaceProtocol 0 iInterface 0 () <endpoint 0> bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 (in 0x01) bmAttributes 3 (interrupt) wMaxPacketSize 2 bInterval 255 ms bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 # Your USB scanner was (probably) detected. It may or may not be supported by # SANE. Try scanimage -L and read the backend's manpage. # Not checking for parallel port scanners. # Most Scanners connected to the parallel port or other proprietary ports # can't be detected by this program. done From gerh...@gjaeger.de Mon Jan 23 07:42:52 2006 From: gerh...@gjaeger.de (Gerhard Jaeger) Date: Mon Jan 23 07:43:27 2006 Subject: [sane-devel] Looking for a small business card sized scanner In-Reply-To: <43d3b424.2050...@mcquil.com> References: <43d0076b.4020...@mcquil.com> <20060122162019.gh10...@meier-geinitz.de> <43d3b424.2050...@mcquil.com> Message-ID: <200601230842.52617.gerh...@gjaeger.de> On Sunday 22 January 2006 17:34, Jim McQuillan wrote: > Henning, > > I've attached the output of 'sane-find-scanner' and 'sane-find-scanner > -v -v', both run as root. > > If you have any ideas of how to make this work with sane, i'd really > appreciate it. > > Alternatively, if you know of any card-sized scanners that are well > supported by sane, that would also be very useful for me. > > Thank you, > > Jim McQuillan > j...@ltsp.org > > > > Henning Meier-Geinitz wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On 2006-01-19 16:40, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > >> I picked up a ScanShell 800N, but sadly, it doesn't appear to be > >> supported by SANE. > >> > > > > Google finds only 160 hits for "ScanShell 800N". Either it's really > > new or it's rather uncommon. > > > > > >> 3) Writing a new driver for the 800N > >> > > > > Only the standard one: look at www.sane-project.org, section > > "Contributing". > > > > > >> found USB scanner (vendor=0x0a82, product=0x6605, chip=LM983x?) at > >> libusb:004:006 > >> > > > > 0x0a82 seems to be used by Syscan. > > Run it as root to check if it's really a LM983x chip. > > IFAIK there are two similar scaner out in the wild: Visoneer XP100 and SYSCAN Travelscan 464. Probably the later one is the same as the ScanShell 800N... - Theses three devices seem to be the only LM983x based sheet-fed devices, but I never got one on my desk, as theese devices turned to be too expensinve for volunteer work and the guys that liked to make them work were not able to lend me such devices... The latests request and discussion I remember was in february 2003, so the devices are rather old... Ciao, Gerhard