> I'm sure my request isn't unique: one of the major goals of Sage is to > provide a platform that allows people to _verify_ it, which is par for > the course for any mathematician. I'd like to see the steps Sage uses > to convert the sum I give it (or what not) to the form it chooses.
I think there are two distinct issues raised in your request: 1. You want to verify that an answer Sage provides is correct. 2. You want to know how Sage got the answer that it provides. It may be much easier to check Sage's answers than to follow the algorithms that it (or Maxima) uses to find the answers. You mention that you were using Sage to compute a symbolic sum. In essence, you were asking Sage to solve a recursion. In order to check that Sage's solution is valid, you just need to check that its solution satisfies the appropriate difference equation and that it has the appropriate initial value. Here are the steps for a simple example of this sort: sage: var('m n') (m, n) sage: h = sum(m^5, m, 1, n); h 1/6*n^6 + 1/2*n^5 + 5/12*n^4 - 1/12*n^2 sage: h - h.subs(n=n-1) -1/6*(n - 1)^6 - 1/2*(n - 1)^5 - 5/12*(n - 1)^4 + 1/12*(n - 1)^2 + 1/6*n^6 + 1/2*n^5 + 5/12*n^4 - 1/12*n^2 sage: _.simplify_full() n^5 sage: h.subs(n = 1) 1 Those steps have Sage find a closed-form expression for $\sum_{m=1}^n m^5$ and verify that this expression works by checking that it satisfies the desired recursion and that it has the desired initial value. Since it is so easy to check Sage's answer, it is probably not important to know exactly how it got the answer. (For all I know, someone programmed that particular sum directly into Sage.) For many algebraic problems (e.g. factorization, symbolic integration, and Groebner-basis calculations), the solutions that Sage provides are easy to verify, assuming that one trusts Sage to do basic algebraic calculations as in the example above. On the other hand, if one asked Sage, say, to find a minimal spanning tree in a graph, then one would not have a similar simple verification of Sage's work. It would be nice if one could use only code compiled from certified Coq (a proof assistant) scripts for calculations, but the difficulties of formalizing mathematics sufficiently for machine certification suggest that it may be a long wait for such certainty. Regards, James Parson -- To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URL: http://www.sagemath.org