On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Minh Nguyen<nguyenmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm CC'ing this to sage-windows, as your questions are very relevant > to the Windows port of Sage. > > -- > Regards > Minh Van Nguyen > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 6:46 AM, DigDug_the_2nd<dugthemath...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Thanks, that's really helpful. >> For Visual Studio, can I get away with installing the Express Version >> or even just Visual C++ 2008 if its just being used as a compiler? Or >> does it draw on the .NET framework or parts of Visual Studio other >> than the compiler itself in order to make Sage work with Windows? What >> are the other Windows development tools needed . . . just Python 2.6 >> or 7zip & G95 that are listed in the Sage for Windows Wiki? >> My concern with licensing was that somehow some code from Visual >> Studio would get used in Sage and my programs would use Sage's code >> and then if I wanted to do anything remotely commercial I would have >> to pay $1000 license for Visual Studio. But I think its more like
No, that is not the case. That would be a violation of the GPL, for starters. >> Visual Studio enables the open source Sage code to get along with the >> Windows environment. >> Another question about getting rid of Visual Studio once Sage is >> installed . . . >> once Visual Studio is gone, will I still be able to install extra >> packages to Sage? Won't extra packages be Python code that will get >> installed >> through Sage's iPython shell? What if there are extra packages that You will need visual studio to install *source* spkg's. Probably on windows we'll always make available binary packages that can trivially be installed without a compiler. This is quite easy to do on Windows (but a lot harder on Linux). Note that sage-windows doesn't completely exist yet, so this is all pretty theoretical. >> are in c or c++ . . . once Sage is installed will it handle the >> compilation of c or c++ code like it does the Pyhton code? >> >> dug >> On Jul 9, 4:23 am, Minh Nguyen <nguyenmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:35 PM, DigDug_the_2nd<dugthemath...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > I installed Sage binary under WINDOWs Vista using the VM Player >>> > as described in the Installation Manual . . . so far so good . . . but >>> > I'm a little unsure what the VM Player is actually doing. Sage is not >>> > installed in the ordinary sense that a program is usually >>> > installed . . . right? What I'd really like to do is put the Sage_ROOT >>> > on the PATH and then access all the packages in Sage and the >>> > additional ones added to it. Can I do this by pointing the PATH to the >>> > folder that contains the VM Player files that I downloaded as the >>> > binary distribution for WINDOWs? >>> >>> Short answer: No. >>> >>> Longer answer: Currently the best way to run/use Sage under Windows is >>> to use the VMware image. This essentially is an Ubuntu Linux image >>> that is loaded using the WMware player. That means that the compiled >>> version of Sage in that VMware image has been compiled for a Linux >>> system, where the binary format is different from Windows. It's like >>> you can't execute a Linux binary under Windows and vice versa (unless >>> you use an emulator or a virtual machine). >>> >>> > If not then I just read a new post in the WINDOWs Sage Wiki about >>> > using Visual Studio 2008 & G95 to build Sage from source. That doesn't >>> > sound so bad, but can I uninstall Visual Studio once I'm done using it >>> > to build Sage . . . >>> > or will that mess up the way Sage works? >>> >>> Once you've used MS Visual Studio 2008 (and G95) to compile the >>> Windows port of Sage, then you don't really need the compiler any more >>> in order to run a binary. So, yes, you should be able to remove MS >>> Visual Studio 2008 after successful compilation. >>> >>> > Will I be able to make stand >>> > alone programs that are not running on Visual Studio at all (and >>> > aren't effected by its licensing?). >>> >>> I'm not sure what you're talking about here. Can you elaborate more on >>> this point? >>> >>> > If I have gcc installed why is it not possible to install the >>> > source code with that? >>> >>> Sage currently has over 90 components. Many of those components are >>> themselves separate open source projects. However, some of these >>> components currently don't have Windows ports and someone has to go >>> through all such components and port each and every one of them to >>> Windows. If you're interested in porting Sage to Windows, a good place >>> for that is the sage-windows mailing list. >>> >>> > Finally, if I choose to build the source code, is it OK to do that >>> > without (immediately) erasing or uninstalling my present binary >>> > distribution in its VM Player form? >>> >>> The VMware image and the Windows port source distribution are two >>> separate packages. So if you have Visual Studio 2008 and other >>> development tools for Windows, then you can grab a Windows port source >>> distribution from >>> >>> http://windows.sagemath.org/ >>> >>> and compile it. They don't and shouldn't affect one another. >>> >>> -- >>> Regards >>> Minh Van Nguyen > > > > -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
