On Thursday, 30 April 2015 17:11:39 UTC+1, Bill Page wrote:
>
> On 30 April 2015 at 05:29, Dima Pasechnik <dim...@gmail.com <javascript:>> 
> wrote: 
> > On Thursday, 30 April 2015 10:09:55 UTC+1, Dima Pasechnik wrote: 
> >> On Wednesday, 29 April 2015 23:17:19 UTC+1, Bill Page wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> > PPS. if you really are pressed for time, I can submit this patch 
> >>> > instead... 
> >>> > 
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks I would really appreciate that. 
> >> 
> >> a proper patch would include a doctest for the issue, you know, that's 
> why 
> >> sage-trac is not too a hammer :-) 
> >> Did you check that your patch doesn't break things like SMC's 
> >> show(axiom('...')) ? 
> >> 
>
> No I did not check.  I still think that sage-trac is a very heavy and 
> complex solution to a simple problem. 
>
> <rant> 
> This is just a personal opinion but contrary to common intuition I do 
> not see any real evidence that the Sage developer emphasis on "doc 
> tests" has resulted in any fewer errors or problems in Sage in 
> comparison to other systems.  I am not sure why this is, but my 
> personal experience is that Sage is just as hard to use and just as 
> likely to return an obscure error message as any of the other open 
> source computer algebra systems that I have used.  My prior experience 
> with commercial systems is not that much better, 
>
> Anyway, in spite of being very happy to use Sage and to try to fix 
> problems I encounter if/when I have sufficient time, I am very 
> reluctant to invest the extra amount of time to learn and over come my 
> distaste for the Sage development model in general. 
> </rant> 
>

well, for rants we have a special newsgroup called sage-flame.

sorry for teaching you a part of sage development process against your will 
:-)
 

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