Le 19/02/2015 10:19, Jeroen Demeyer a écrit :
On 2015-02-19 08:31, Marc Mezzarobba wrote:
On a perhaps related note, Sage used to be about "building the car",
didn't it?
I would say it still is about "building the car". I think this refers to
using dependencies where possible. Instead of writing our own functions
to compute in number fields, we wrap PARI's number field functionality.
What you do is to take only certain parts of the Sage car, change the
bodywork and then complain that the wheels no longer fit.
I find it ironic how hard sage makes it for other projects
to rely on it
You seem to think that Sage is actively making it hard for other
projects. I simply think that the way how Sage development is done is
fundamentally incompatible with what the distros want.
Well, examples exist where poor choices have been made which make(made)
it harder for other projects.
From the top of my head :
(1) ECL was configured to disable SIGCHLD... by patching it! I proposed
a two-line patch which did it programmatically from sage's code.
(2) PARI/GP is configured using a gprc... shipped by the spkg -- ticket
#17796 is about pushing that in sage's code.
So yes, the impression is there that given the choice between doing
things in sage-the-software and working for everyone and doing things in
sage-the-distribution and breaking for everyone else, some sage
developers have a tendency to choose the later.
I think this sentence from Volker is completely on the spot:
-1 to delaying a Sage version for $DISTRO to catch up.
I don't think software was ever delayed for debian.
The point is about doing things cleanly, which open the door to
everyone, instead of favoring sage-the-distribution.
Snark on #sagemath
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