2014-11-28 20:24 GMT+01:00 Simon King <simon.k...@uni-jena.de>: > Hi Viviane, > > On 2014-11-28, Viviane Pons <vivianep...@gmail.com> wrote: > > As a "yes" voter, I would be totally in favor of changing the name to > > "guidelines". > > So, technically, your "yes" vote should in fact be counted as "no", > because the vote was about a specific version of the text? >
My 'yes' is still a 'yes'. I read and accepted the text as it was. But still, in fine, I find "guidelines" better, because: * I was convinced by other people's point (yes, that can happen!) * What I want most is having a text that most people agree on I also found the vote was taking place too early. Actually, I was afraid that the 'no' would win and that the matter would be buried and ignored and that nothing would change. (Honestly, nobody could predict the result of the vote, it was really a close call). So because I wanted a text and I, personally, had no objections against the proposed text, I voted 'yes'. I was afraid indeed that because people were divided, the vote would settle nothing (and I was right, obviously!). As for now, we're in a very delicate situation as some people recognize the vote and some don't, and many "no" voters feel they've been imposed on. What I personally read from the vote is that *some* kind of text has to exists: if the actual code was just to be removed (well, I must say, I don't really consider that it exists right now...) and no other text was to be accepted, then we would be in uproar just as we are now, because the 'yes' voters would feel deceived. But as it is now, I don't want to keep this text (but I do want something instead). Not because I refute what is in it but because I find it useless if it's not accepted by so many developers. Also, I'm sensible to your (and other) arguments (about 'guidelines' instead of codes, about not giving orders 'be be be' etc). At the end, I want everyone, 'yes' and 'no' voters to feel good and welcome in the community we all share and like. Also, to most virulent people on both sides: I think there is no point arguing about the actual status of the code or the legitimacy of the vote. It will lead us nowhere. What we should do, is work on a consensus as some of us started. I also think, little 'so called' votes about amendments are quite useless, we've seen what quick votes have done. Let us give us some time (how much? I don't know, as much as needed I'd say) to find something that we feel does not divide us so much. Then, we could put it to vote because (because absolute consensus where everyone agree is difficult to reach), but a vote of which result we would accept. To finish, once again, we all want the same thing! Cheers Viviane > > > I'm also in favor of voting a new text that carries more people on. I > think > > we're in a bad situation now, with a vote that not everybody recognizes > and > > divides the community. I am in favor of some kind of "code of conduct" > but > > dividing the community is counter productive. > > +1. But this time please *after* an open discussion on the text. > > I do recognise that the majority of voters wants some kind of > guidelines, but I do not recognise that the majority of voters wants > this text, and also I do not recognise that the voting met democratic > standards. > > A technical question: How can a discussion on text be organised? A wiki > is of course one option for collaborative edition of a text, but I don't > see how arguments can be exchanged by wiki. > > Best regards, > Simon > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
