>
>
> > Also part of the problem is the use of 'make' that is recommended 
> Yes, and there are good reasons for this. 
>
> > I've gone back to sage -b. 
> Please don't, or at the very least don't ever report a bug or failing 
> doctest without doing "make" first. 
>
> The problem with "sage -b" is that you *include* Sage library changes 
> because of a new package version but you *exclude* the actual package 
> changes. 
>
>
Ah, I only do this when checking out Sage library-only branches that I then 
merge develop into (which is okay because I am only reviewing them, not 
committing), for exactly this reason.  
 

> Forget your past experiences and try again now that we have #17286. 
>
>
Okay, we'll see! That certainly should help a lot.

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