Hi Vincent
The wikipedia definition of flaming has the words "hostile" and
"insulting". I have certainly been hostile towards Nathann, and have
explicitly explained to him early on why he was wrong and why I was being
hostile. It is part of academic discourse to have heated discussions,
because we are always exploring new ideas. I was hoping this would have put
some sense into him and made sure to hold my ground, rather than letting
the issue drop as I have done in previous discussions. His reactions have
only confirmed that I was on the right track to deal with him: he has never
asked for references, doesn't seem to have looked at those I pointed out,
and eventually insulted me. This is completely unprofessional behaviour. I
even tried to offer to discuss this in private to prevent him further
harming himself. So in summary, I have been hostile and he was both hostile
and insulting.
If you feel that I have been insulting somewhere, PLEASE point me to where,
I will look and immediately apologise if I agree with you.
I will concede that I was waiting for the right moment to jump in on the
mailing list, and that this was planned. Maybe some might be shocked at
this, but again it fits in a larger context that spans at least a couple
years. Again, that's a fair tactic for academics.
This is concerning my attitude towards Nathann. Towards you, I very much
hope I wasn't insulting or hostile (but it is hard to pin down Nathann's
arguments, it is a moving target, so you might have felt associated to some
of the hostility). Your attitude has only been constructive, and in fact
early on I suggested we keep the positivity to your thread. Let me
blanket-apologise if I have insulted or been hostile to you. That was
absolutely not my intent, quite the opposite.
Of course, it is unpleasant for everyone, I am also sorry for that. But
sometimes people need to be put in their place.
Now back to the "content".
I am asking Nathann's opinion because I don't want to go through the same
**** again and again.
And, reading your 2) opinion, you disagree with Simon (but there I am
reading in an email he sent after yours).
Paul
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On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Vincent Delecroix <
20100.delecr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> 2014-05-28 17:42 UTC+02:00, Paul-Olivier Dehaye
> <paul-olivier.deh...@math.uzh.ch>:
> > I agree 100% with your summary, Simon, except that
> > 1) Nathann will have to say himself whether he agrees or not;
>
> Please at some point stop the flame.
>
> > 2) A decision should be made whether it is valid to introduce lots of
> empty
> > methods and classes simply for the semantic decorators that will be
> added.
>
> It is not. Could you give an example of what you are thinking about ?
> In my mind it would be seomthing like the natural injection ZZ ->
> QQ... but this is already there
> {{{
> sage: QQ.convert_map_from(ZZ)
> Natural morphism:
> From: Integer Ring
> To: Rational Field
> }}}
> So there is no need to create an empty method .as_rational() on each
> integer. If you want a trivial function in your database then
> implement it as a Morphism. Or better as Simon said: put in the
> database what is needed to actually build the Morphism.
>
> Vincent
>
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