At the very least, lets be careful to avoid fancy invisible unicode characters: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sage-devel/LjC75cae7XI
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:52 PM, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Robert Bradshaw > <rober...@math.washington.edu> wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Julien Puydt <julien.pu...@laposte.net> >> wrote: >>> >>> Le 08/07/2013 10:51, Nils Bruin a écrit : >>>> >>>> On Monday, July 8, 2013 4:05:29 AM UTC+2, Volker Braun wrote: >>>> >>>> Frédéric Chapoton has written a patch at >>>> http://trac.sagemath.org/14733 <http://trac.sagemath.org/14733> that >>>> >>>> will beautify the Sage startup banner using some UTF-8 characters to >>>> draw the box. This will display incorrectly in terminals that do not >>>> support UTF-8. In that case, Sage still works but the box around the >>>> banner is garbled (most likely rendered by placeholder signs for >>>> non-ASCII characters). >>>> >>>> >>>> -1 to a UTF-8 banner. There's hardly anything in the sage command line >>>> that requires a UTF-8 capable terminal (all the colour stuff should shut >>>> off automatically for a "dumb" terminal). Why require it for *just* the >>>> banner? >>>> >>>> More personally, I dislike the UTF-8 banner because it looks too nice. >>>> To me it doesn't fit with the simple prompt-and-return-value interface >>>> (see banners of magma, maple, R, matlab, pari/GP, python, IPython, GAP, >>>> Singular). The "graphics" looking lines are more suggestive of a >>>> menu-driven interface to me, like the text-based "dialog" interfaces. So >>>> to me, the "+-|"-built borders raise expectations more appropriate for >>>> what sage command line offers. >>> >>> >>> -1 too for the same reasons. >>> >>> Keep the banner short and simple ; people don't come to sage to enjoy that >>> sight! >> >> >> I agree, no need to have fancy unicode here. If you're doing something that >> requires nice output you should probably be using a notebook interface >> anyways; the CLI interface just isn't going to go there and going part way >> is worse than just keeping things simple. > > I used the patch, and I think it is beautiful. I completely disagree > with the comments such as " I dislike the UTF-8 banner because it > looks too nice." and "Keep the banner short and simple ; people don't > come to sage to enjoy that sight!" Clean beauty is exactly what > people (at least me!) want in software. The banner in Sage right now, > which I probably wrote (?), looks frankly ugly and like a hack, > compared to the one on this patch. > > Also, UTF is clearly the future of strings, having native default > support in modern interpreters, editors, etc., and also being critical > to supporting users who aren't using English. > > This patch is along the same lines as the recent inclusion of a nice > color prompt (thanks Volker) in that it makes Sage prettier and more > pleasant to use. > > So my strong vote *for* this ticket. Moreover, I like it so much I'll > be henceforth applying it to the standard system-wide version of Sage > at https://cloud.sagemath.com, even if it doesn't get into Sage. > In particular, I disagree with " If you're doing something that > requires nice output you should probably be using a notebook interface > anyways" -- since the terminal interface *is* part of the notebook > interface now, and it must look nice. > > -- William > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
