> > Then you haven't tried to actually do this, which of course we know.
> > Unfortunately, even getting Maxima to work right on Cygwin with ECL
>
> ... maybe because running ECL is the wrong choice, dictated by a
> misguided policy about what software is politically acceptable.

Perhaps; I have no horse in that race.

> My own personal experience has been that I will struggle for several
> days
> on some such project, and then get help from a true expert who solves
> the problem in 60 seconds.

Correct.  Unfortunately, in this case you really need someone who is
an expert in a very, very small (though nonempty) Venn diagram
intersection.  There probably aren't too many folks who get Windows in
the way needed *and* are experts about internals of things like PARI
and GAP.

>  Yes, there is
>
> > probably a lot of C code in some of the packages in Sage which are not
> > really up to standards or are heavily reliant on Gnu-specific stuff...
> > Dave K. has been very helpful along these lines.
>
> > But that's what we need to include in order to get the highest-quality
> > *mathematics* in Sage.  And that, in the end, is the point.  The
> > notebook and Sage cell make it less and less necessary to do anything
> > outside the cloud anyway.
>
> My own feeling is that pieces of Sage are just not necessarily high
> quality.  Consider all the code written in Python.  Is it really the
> highest performance code, or is just the stuff that happens to be
> in Python?

Mathematically, not performance.  Some of it is probably quite slow.
Here the communities depart ways based on discipline, I think.

As an analogy, R, for instance, is universally complained about in
this regard.  But it has so much good functionality in user-
contributed packages, that people still use it (and companies,
apparently profitable ones, create add-ons to speed it up for such
users).  It's also extremely widely used, and growing all the time -
in production environments, too, not just (or even mainly) academia.

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