On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 2:18 AM, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 2:12 AM, Timothy Clemans > <timothy.clem...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Simon King <simon.k...@uni-jena.de> wrote: >>> On 31 Jan., 07:13, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Emil Widmann <emil.widm...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > But. >>>> > I strongly resent the comments and "spirit" of Prof. Fateman. Using >>>> > classifications like "losers" and "winners", "top producers" and "junk >>>> > submitters" he introduces very elitist terminology and patterns of >>>> > argumentation into this thread. This spawned terms like "bad apples" >>>> > and "crackpot" and moved the focus of the thread. Before it was >>>> > positive and open minded with the goal to spread the word of sage and >>>> > attract new people for contribution. Afterwards it had negative and >>>> > defensive tone and - worst of all - was full of doubt. >>>> ... >>>> > But sometimes it is not only important if an opinion is >>>> > right or wrong, but also which words, phrasings, lines of >>>> > argumentation or more general "categories of thinking" are used. Right >>>> > and wrong are just relevant in reference to a specific framework. And >>>> > it is my strong opinion, that this specific intellectual framework of >>>> > categorizing people should not be used on a public (or semi public) >>>> > forum about a volunteer open source project. >>> >>> Meanwhile I agree, and I apologise for providing some paragraphs about >>> "losers". One should keep in mind that such categories are not >>> objective and thus ought not to be applied to people (being volunteer >>> for an open source project or not). And you are right that the output >>> of a person (to which "right" and "wrong" might apply) must not be >>> confused with the person itself. >>> >>>> I think absolutely *anybody* has the potential to >>>> contribute usefully to the Sage project, and for it to be a net >>>> positive. Seriously. Anybody. Your grandma. Some people program, >>>> some people find bugs, some find typos in documentation, some write >>>> documentation, and some write bug-riddled prototypes that point the >>>> way or teach us a lesson. >> >> This is Sage's number one strength IMHO. I'm unskilled and give up >> quickly. However because of the culture and ease of building source >> and editing it I was able to create the Notebook's registration page. >> I think the key reason for encouraging unskilled contributors like >> myself is you get important contributions like the Notebook >> registration page that I doubt you would get otherwise. Heck Wikipedia >> changed the world because it encourages ANYONE to edit it. > > +1 > >> >> In my opinion making the Sage development process even easier could go >> a long way. I've often recently thought that people should be able to >> develop sage via the notebook without ever having to download Sage. I >> don't have what it takes to successful extend the notebook to do that. >> But it's at least an idea. > > It's a very good idea. In fact, it's been suggested to me a few > times in the last two months, most recently when I gave a talk to a > bunch of undergrad applied math majors at UW. They just *expected* it > to be possible to edit Sage over the web, like one can edit Wikipedia, > and were surprised when I said it wasn't yet implemented. > > I really hope we can figure out how to do this, this year. What > are the other *software* projects out there that can be dynamically > edited through the web? >
I don't know of ANY projects that do that. http://wiki.sagemath.org/EasyQuickSageDevelopment I think the first step is making it so one can easily edit the notebook if they built Sage from source. The test notebook would automatically be launched. Once you've launched the notebook you shouldn't have to touch the command line. I think the second step would be to create HG patches from the notebook. Third step would be to create tickets, submit patches, etc entirely from the notebook. I have no interest in math anymore but I want to do web development entirely from the web browser. And I want to be able to launch web sites where ALMOST ANYONE can actively edit the site's code live. I started working on a prototype for a WolframAlpha competitor yesterday http://semanticeverything.ep.io/ and I want to make it so people can develop the site from within the site itself. > > > -- > William Stein > Professor of Mathematics > University of Washington > http://wstein.org > > -- > To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to > sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel > URL: http://www.sagemath.org > -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
