On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:54 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky <zzn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> William Stein wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:59 PM, rjf <fate...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> You are of course welcome to believe this, but the major competition
>>> for Mathematica
>>> is probably not Sage, but Matlab.
>>
>> For many engineering applications Matlab blows Mathematica out of the
>> water, and I wouldn't even consider Mathematica competition.    For
>> many applications in pure mathematics -- hobbyists, education,
>> research, combinatorics, number theory, etc. -- I think that
>> Mathematica is vastly better than Matlab.    Apples and Oranges.
>
> Isn't Matlab, like the open source Octave, SciLab and FreeMat
> "knock-offs", a "purely numeric" langauge? They're great tools for easy
> interactive computing, but do they do *symbolic* calculation?

Not directly.  Matlab did *purchase* MuPAD fairly recently, and they
sell MuPAD as a "Symbolic Toolbox" addon.      I used to use the Mupad
<---> Matlab symbolic toolbox thing a decade ago for a job I had once.
 But core Matlab is very much numerically oriented.

> I have never used any of them. I do most of my numeric work in R and
> have for many years. As an aside, there is a package in the R CRAN
> repository that interfaces with the open source symbolic math package Yacas.
>
>
>> In the US academic education environment I think your statement above
>> agrees 100% with what I've seen.
>> However, I expect that is not the environment Michael is talking about
>> or that the new Mathematica $300 "Home Version" license is aimed at.
>
> I'm not familiar with that version. Is that the "branding" -- a "home
> version" of Mathematica? Personally, as a working applied mathematician,
> I have not actually bought a licensed symbolic math tool since Derive 6,
> which was clocking in at a list price of $200US IIRC when TI stopped
> selling it. When I need symbolic capabilities now, I use wxMaxima most
> of the time, which has a "Derive-like" UI and has the stuff I care
> about, like Laplace transforms, built in. But clearly Sage, which
> includes R, is going to be my platform of choice once I learn how to use it.

What are some ideas you have about how we could make Sage easier for
_you_ (and people "like you") to learn?   How did you learn R?

William

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