I never worked with conda, but it looks like it's doable also for an inexperienced person.
At the moment we have a somewhat working setup for those poorly maintained systems. I don't want to remove it without a proper alternative. If the alternative is to document that one should/can use conda instead, then this is fine with me. There is no need to reinvent the wheel. This is what it looks like from my point of view for poorly mainained systems without root priviliges: Current situation: Some sort of support. What I wouldn't like: No support. What would be a nice resolution: Get conda running (if not already installed). There is plenty of help out there for this. Once you got conda running, we can help you. dim...@gmail.com schrieb am Freitag, 25. Juni 2021 um 08:29:51 UTC+2: > On Fri, 25 Jun 2021 at 07:12, 'jonatha...@googlemail.com' via sage-devel < > sage-...@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> I did a large computation on a redhat application server 1 1/2 years ago >> and I was very happy that I could just compile gcc to replace the version >> 4.x. There where a couple of problems though, but all of them could be >> resolved. I can't reproduce this however, as those people have thankfully >> provided gcc 10.2.0 in the meantime. >> > > I do not see an effort to maintain the ability (sometimes broken?) to > build/install gcc and python > as a core task for Sagemath. It is a burden on bots, on GH Actions we run, > on people who actually maintain it, on users who try going this route > without thinking. > > Spin it out into an alternative to Conda if you so inclined. > Such a separation would make it clean for the user that it is not > necessary in 99% of the cases, that it can be updated independently, etc. > > I should have added the rest of Sage “toolchain” to the list. > > >> It's -1 from my side unless: >> - there is a tool that allows installling gcc (or a tested compiler) >> without root privileges, >> - it's well-documented and whatever the instructions, also a non-advanced >> person can follow it, >> - there is still support for the issues with that (it doesn't have to be >> from our community) >> >> In general, I think it is a good idea to join forces. If there is a >> community/tool that deals with these kind of issues already, we could >> invest our resources in other things. >> >> Sidenote: I also think that administrators in universities etc. should >> provide a decent compiler, but I don't think we are going to change this. >> Our university network provides you a bunch of gcc versions and this makes >> life a lot easier for everyone. >> Matthias Koeppe schrieb am Freitag, 25. Juni 2021 um 03:59:20 UTC+2: >> >>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 4:24:10 PM UTC-7 Michael Orlitzky wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 2021-06-24 at 15:54 -0700, Volker Braun wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> > What about replacing gcc with a script that installs the conda >>>> toolchain >>>> >>>> >>>> > automatically. The distro gcc currently does not work for me, so its >>>> not >>>> >>>> >>>> > THAT rare to get into problems. On the other hard, installing conda >>>> is more >>>> >>>> >>>> > likely to work than compiling gcc from scratch. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What does Conda do that a gcc-10 deb/rpm can't do? >>>> >>> >>> It can be installed by unprivileged users. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "sage-devel" group. >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to sage-devel+...@googlegroups.com. >> >> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/fcb07cc1-4a0c-422b-a7df-05e87215693dn%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/fcb07cc1-4a0c-422b-a7df-05e87215693dn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/acfe0292-43ea-4a24-93d0-4917d8c869d2n%40googlegroups.com.
