Hi John,

Disclaimer: I am just catching up on the discussion on this draft. I also
missed the WG session due to a conflict but have caught up with the
recording. And I am not speaking for the authors.

Below is an additional text proposal (over and above what I have shared
previously) to cover, what I think, may be the essence of your discuss. It
is possible though that I've still missed your point.

f) Section 2

v18
Although not a TI-LFA requirement or constraint, TI-LFA also brings the
benefit of the ability to provide a backup path that follows the expected
post-convergence path considering a particular failure which reduces the
need of locally configured policies that influence the backup path
selection ([RFC7916
<https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa-18.html#RFC7916>]).
The easiest way to express the expected post-convergence path in a
loop-free manner is to encode it as a list of adjacency segments. However,
this may create a long segment list that some hardware may not be able to
program. One of the challenges of TI-LFA is to encode the expected
post-convergence path by combining adjacency segments and node segments.
Each implementation may independently develop its own algorithm for
optimizing the ordered segment list. This document provides an outline of
the fundamental concepts applicable to constructing the SR backup path,
along with the related dataplane procedures.

New
v18
Although not a TI-LFA requirement or constraint, TI-LFA also brings the
benefit of the ability to provide a backup path that follows the expected
post-convergence path considering a particular failure which reduces the
need of locally configured policies that influence the backup path
selection ([RFC7916
<https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa-18.html#RFC7916>]).
The easiest way to express the expected post-convergence path in a
loop-free manner is to encode it as a list of adjacency segments. However,
this may create a long segment list that some hardware may not be able to
program. One of the challenges of TI-LFA is to encode the expected
post-convergence path by combining adjacency segments and node segments.
Each implementation may independently develop its own algorithm for
optimizing the ordered segment list. This document provides an outline of
the fundamental concepts applicable to constructing the SR backup path,
along with the related dataplane procedures. *Appendix A describes some of
the post-convergence path related aspects of TI-LFA in more detail.*

The essence is that post-convergence is indeed an important differentiating
aspect of TI-LFA. The text does already indicate the platform limitation
aspect and leaves some of the optimization to implementations - I believe
this is quite adequate already. Also, added the reference to the Appendix A
per our discussion.

Thanks,
Ketan


On Fri, Nov 15, 2024 at 8:22 PM John Scudder <j...@juniper.net> wrote:

> Hi Ketan,
>
> On Nov 15, 2024, at 9:48 AM, Ketan Talaulikar <ketant.i...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I believe my text proposals do not dilute the post-convergence aspect of
> TI-LFA. Please let me know if you see it otherwise.
>
>
> No argument. I was harking back to the debate I addressed at (probably too
> much) length in my message to this thread yesterday. I guess your proposed
> edits, while valuable, are tangential to the underlying question.
>
> Thanks,
>
> —John
>
>
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