Hi John,

I believe my text proposals do not dilute the post-convergence aspect of
TI-LFA. Please let me know if you see it otherwise.

Thanks,
Ketan


On Fri, Nov 15, 2024 at 8:07 PM John Scudder <j...@juniper.net> wrote:

> Hi Ketan,
>
> Thanks. It seems to me, though, that there is a qualitative difference
> between computing a path that’s intended to be post-convergence, but having
> that intent foiled because of known limitations in the design, and not even
> trying to compute a post-convergence path. Let’s suppose the "not a TI-LFA
> requirement or constraint” language, and similar, is only trying to capture
> the limitation you’ve highlighted. In that case, I don’t think it would be
> too hard to propose edits to cover the former (“intended to be… foiled”)
> without also opening the door to the latter (“not even trying”), as the
> present language does.
>
> —John
>
> On Nov 15, 2024, at 9:27 AM, Ketan Talaulikar <ketant.i...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
> This comment was towards the discussion on whether TI-LFA computed repair
> path is always a post-convergence path or not. I meant to convey that it
> practically may not be so for all types of protection schemes and failures.
> This is nothing new.
>
> Thanks,
> Ketan
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2024 at 7:51 PM John Scudder <j...@juniper.net> wrote:
>
>> [trimmed cc; presumably copying the WG is sufficient]
>>
>> Hi Ketan,
>>
>> Can you help me understand what you’re driving toward with this comment?
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2024, at 5:44 AM, Ketan Talaulikar <ketant.i...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> In addition to the above text change suggestions, I would remind that
>> strict following of post-convergence is not guaranteed by TI-LFA as it
>> depends on the protection scheme selected. There is the following text that
>> explains this scenario in Appendix A.
>>
>> Readers should be aware that FRR protection is pre-computing a backup
>> path to protect against a particular type of failure (link, node, SRLG).
>> When using the post-convergence path as FRR backup path, the computed
>> post-convergence path is the one considering the failure we are protecting
>> against. This means that FRR is using an expected post-convergence path,
>> and this expected post-convergence path may be actually different from the
>> post-convergence path used if the failure that happened is different from
>> the failure FRR was protecting against. As an example, if the operator has
>> implemented a protection against a node failure, the expected
>> post-convergence path used during FRR will be the one considering that the
>> node has failed. However, even if a single link is failing or a set of
>> links is failing (instead of the full node), the node-protecting
>> post-convergence path will be used. The consequence is that the path used
>> during FRR is not optimal with respect to the failure that has actually
>> occurred.
>>
>>
>> I agree with your statement; however, I’m a little baffled as to how it
>> connects with the rest of the conversation.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> —John
>>
>
>
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