Thank you David, I agree with everything you just said. I'm hoping to get
back to this little issue but today has been a bit of a disaster. My thanks
to everyone who responded with so many thoughts. I will report back
hopefully tomorrow once I've made some changes and tested them.

*Scott Slattery*

*Sr. Enterprise/Cloud Architect*

*Cloud, Compute, Information & Architecture Team*

motorolasolutions.com

*O: 602.529.8226*

*E*: [email protected]




On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 10:51 AM David Lang <[email protected]> wrote:

> on the receiver:
>
> HOSTNAME is what the sender put in the message
> FROMHOST-IP is the IP of the last hop before the receiver (in your case
> the
> sender)
> FROMHOST is a name lookup of FROMHOST-IP
>
> if everything has the correct name, and that name is in DNS/hosts, then
> FROMHOST
> and HOSTNAME may be the same, or FROMHOST may be FQDN while HOSTNAME is
> just the
> short name (depends on the sending system)
>
> if you can set the HOSTNAME before rsyslog starts so that it's in the
> message
> itself correctly, then you don't need to depend on updating name
> resolution (and
> name lookups cost time and there is always a lag between a system starting
> up
> and when the update will show up to a lookup on the receiver)
>
> David Lang
>
>
> On Wed, 17 Nov 2021, Scott Slattery wrote:
>
> > Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 09:43:47 -0700
> > From: Scott Slattery <[email protected]>
> > To: Yuri Bushmelev <[email protected]>
> > Cc: rsyslog-users <[email protected]>, David Lang <[email protected]
> >
> > Subject: Re: [rsyslog] FROMHOST missing on central log collector
> >
> > Thanks for your feedback. There seems to be some understanding that the
> > hostname is not set properly on the client-side. This is not the case,
> the
> > hostname displays properly on the host itself and is also properly
> > configured from a linux perspective. This is precisely why I'm inquiring
> > about alternatives. The only differentiating factor with respect to these
> > dynamically created hosts is that they do not get registered in DNS since
> > their life is, or can be, quite short based on computing demand.
> >
> > I was under the impression that the hostname used by the server-side
> > (collector) was the result of a server-side DNS lookup, which will not
> > resolve for these hosts. This is why I was looking for a rsyslog solution
> > that didn't involved DNS.
> >
> > Yuri, if I understand you correctly you're saying a custom template using
> > HOSTNAME vs FROMHOST-IP may be an option. I'll look into this to
> understand
> > it better. Thanks for this suggestion, it sound like it completely
> removes
> > the DNS constraint. I'll give it a try.
> >
> > *Scott Slattery*
> >
> > *Sr. Enterprise/Cloud Architect*
> >
> > *Cloud, Compute, Information & Architecture Team*
> >
> > motorolasolutions.com
> >
> > *O: 602.529.8226*
> >
> > *E*: [email protected]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 7:15 PM Yuri Bushmelev <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello!
> >>
> >> Just a reminder that a hostname field in a syslog message is just a
> string
> >> sent from sender to collector. So you can craft a custom template with
> the
> >> hostname field defined as you'd like. Though I'd call this a "fallback"
> way
> >> of fixing the issue. The right way is to set the proper hostname on a
> >> sender system before rsyslog starts I'd say.
> >>
> >> On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 at 08:33, David Lang via rsyslog <
> >> [email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Rsyslog looks up the hostname as it starts up, so if something after
> >>> rsyslog
> >>> starts changes the hostname, rsyslog isn't going to notice until you
> >>> restart
> >>> rsyslog.
> >>>
> >>> again, fromhost is a receiver side lookup of the name to match
> >>> fromhost-ip, so
> >>> if hostname is getting set correctly, filter on that instead of on
> >>> fromhost.
> >>>
> >>> David Lang
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 16 Nov 2021, Scott Slattery wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 17:28:15 -0700
> >>>> From: Scott Slattery <[email protected]>
> >>>> To: David Lang <[email protected]>
> >>>> Cc: Scott Slattery via rsyslog <[email protected]>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [rsyslog] FROMHOST missing on central log collector
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks, David, I think you've done more than enough to try and help me
> >>> on
> >>>> this. I need to do some reading on Amazon (and the link you shared) to
> >>> see
> >>>> what my options are. I agree with you, it's likely workable.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've confirmed that the results from the 'hostname' command do match
> so
> >>>> it's a bit of a mystery why rsyslog doesn't detect this but, i think
> >>> you're
> >>>> on the right track, we need to run a post-deployment script to get
> these
> >>>> instances registered in Route53.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> *Scott Slattery*
> >>>>
> >>>> *Sr. Enterprise/Cloud Architect*
> >>>>
> >>>> *Cloud, Compute, Information & Architecture Team*
> >>>>
> >>>> motorolasolutions.com
> >>>>
> >>>> *O: 602.529.8226*
> >>>>
> >>>> *E*: [email protected]
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 5:20 PM David Lang <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> if you login to one of the systems, you should find that the name
> >>> returned
> >>>>> by
> >>>>> the hostname command should match what you get in the syslog message
> >>> that
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> delivered to your central collector. (if it doesn't, try restarting
> >>>>> rsyslog and
> >>>>> see if it changes to match)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> then the question becomes what mechansims does AMI provide for
> >>> customizing
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> hostname
> >>>>>
> >>>>> a quick google search shows a new hostnamectl command
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.aws.amazon.com_AWSEC2_latest_UserGuide_set-2Dhostname.html&d=DwIBAg&c=q3cDpHe1hF8lXU5EFjNM_C93KOmcBXCBnhee2v6PYlc&r=9VZN8jOeh6Wq3zsBr6Mr_GSxmEpodGbXQ2UxP3oRpciBnWp1cJKyh3iyX6xKS_Zd&m=1JiTvUcvjB8RxLP9vfPbVSsbAQyitkPK6AzRBhEBUjRBWl-3tAtfR73TCtIFhdHZ&s=WR-Pz8svN0d8vqg4ZKSNj2dbxtcngaMJ4iiRXCPpD6c&e=
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.cyberciti.biz_faq_set-2Dchange-2Dhostname-2Din-2Damazon-2Dlinux-2Dec2-2Dinstance-2Dserver_&d=DwIBAg&c=q3cDpHe1hF8lXU5EFjNM_C93KOmcBXCBnhee2v6PYlc&r=9VZN8jOeh6Wq3zsBr6Mr_GSxmEpodGbXQ2UxP3oRpciBnWp1cJKyh3iyX6xKS_Zd&m=1JiTvUcvjB8RxLP9vfPbVSsbAQyitkPK6AzRBhEBUjRBWl-3tAtfR73TCtIFhdHZ&s=2RI1Khq-fBEBJxckXk9nWDESN8pTJxGiGv6xpsbYhzE&e=
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I know there is a way for you to specify a script to run when an
> >>> instance
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> started, that script can then set things like this. I don't know
> >>> enough to
> >>>>> point
> >>>>> you at specifically how to do that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> David Lang
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, 16 Nov 2021, Scott Slattery wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 17:07:47 -0700
> >>>>>> From: Scott Slattery <[email protected]>
> >>>>>> To: David Lang <[email protected]>
> >>>>>> Cc: Scott Slattery via rsyslog <[email protected]>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [rsyslog] FROMHOST missing on central log collector
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks David, the hostname is currently set in the AMI (Amazon
> Master
> >>>>>> Image) which is the source image for all instances that are
> >>> dynamically
> >>>>>> created and I can verify that, if you login to one of these dynamic
> >>>>>> instances, the hostname is in fact set correctly.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The issue doesn't seem particularly related to what is set in
> >>>>>> /etc/hostname, /etc/hosts, or what was set using 'hostname'
> command. I
> >>>>>> think you can see this is the source of my frustration. It appears
> the
> >>>>>> central log collector relies only on DNS resolution unless there's
> >>> some
> >>>>>> hidden magic inside RSYSLOG to force the sent logs to include a host
> >>>>> header
> >>>>>> (vs DNS).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't want to continue wasting your time but again, it is much
> >>>>>> appreciated. I'll look into some way of dynamically adding these
> >>> hosts to
> >>>>>> DNS in AWS Route53. It appears rsyslog simply can't do what I'm
> after.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> *Scott Slattery*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> *Sr. Enterprise/Cloud Architect*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> *Cloud, Compute, Information & Architecture Team*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> motorolasolutions.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> *O: 602.529.8226*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> *E*: [email protected]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 5:02 PM David Lang <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> the hostname command will let you set the hostname (you want to do
> >>> that
> >>>>>>> before
> >>>>>>> you start rsyslog). I would expect that the orcastration tool you
> >>> use to
> >>>>>>> create
> >>>>>>> the systems will have some 'correct for that tool' way to set the
> >>>>> hostname
> >>>>>>> as it
> >>>>>>> starts the instance (sorry I can't provide more specifics, if you
> can
> >>>>>>> mention
> >>>>>>> what you are using, possibly someone else can chime in on the best
> >>> way
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>> set
> >>>>>>> the hostname with that tool)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> David Lang
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, 16 Nov 2021, Scott Slattery wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 16:59:17 -0700
> >>>>>>>> From: Scott Slattery <[email protected]>
> >>>>>>>> To: David Lang <[email protected]>
> >>>>>>>> Cc: Scott Slattery via rsyslog <[email protected]>
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [rsyslog] FROMHOST missing on central log collector
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> My follow-on question woudl be how do I set the hostname at the
> >>> client
> >>>>>>> end?
> >>>>>>>> Other than what's in /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname, etc. I don't know
> >>> how
> >>>>>>> else
> >>>>>>>> I would affect the log being sent to ensure it's going over.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> *Scott Slattery*
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> *Sr. Enterprise/Cloud Architect*
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> *Cloud, Compute, Information & Architecture Team*
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> motorolasolutions.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> *O: 602.529.8226*
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> *E*: [email protected]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 4:55 PM David Lang <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> the translation from fromhost-ip to fromhost is done at the
> >>> collector,
> >>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> sender sets the hostname field. If you can trust that hostname
> was
> >>> set
> >>>>>>>>> correctly, there is no reason to use fromhost
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> David Lang
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>   On Tue, 16 Nov 2021, Scott Slattery wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 16:53:19 -0700
> >>>>>>>>>> From: Scott Slattery <[email protected]>
> >>>>>>>>>> To: David Lang <[email protected]>
> >>>>>>>>>> Cc: Scott Slattery via rsyslog <[email protected]>
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [rsyslog] FROMHOST missing on central log collector
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks David, I could be wrong but the resolution seems to be
> >>>>> happening
> >>>>>>>>> at
> >>>>>>>>>> the log collection server, not the client end. Given this, I'm
> not
> >>>>> sure
> >>>>>>>>>> anything outside of rsyslog on the client would affect what the
> >>>>>>> receiving
> >>>>>>>>>> collection server is seeing.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> My hope was that this could be affected by RSYSLOG on the client
> >>>>> device
> >>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>>> perhaps not. I'll also look into AWS to see if a dynamically
> >>> created
> >>>>>>>>>> compute resource can automatically be registered with DNS.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> If anything else comes to mind, let me know. As always, I
> >>> appreciate
> >>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>> feedback.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> *Scott Slattery*
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> *Sr. Enterprise/Cloud Architect*
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> *Cloud, Compute, Information & Architecture Team*
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> motorolasolutions.com
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> *O: 602.529.8226*
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> *E*: [email protected]
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 4:37 PM David Lang <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Linux has a rather sophisticated mechanism for plugging in
> >>> arbitrary
> >>>>>>>>> ways
> >>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>> doing name resolution. DNS has 'won' but hitorically there have
> >>> been
> >>>>>>>>> many
> >>>>>>>>>>> other
> >>>>>>>>>>> options. Research nsswitch (/etc/nsswitch.conf) and see if
> there
> >>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>> something
> >>>>>>>>>>> that you can leverage.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> or, if you can set the hostname of the resources as they are
> >>> created
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>> some
> >>>>>>>>>>> predicatable pattern rather than the AWS default of IP based,
> you
> >>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>> then
> >>>>>>>>>>> make
> >>>>>>>>>>> your logic use that. (This is the approach I would look into).
> >>> What
> >>>>>>>>>>> mechanism
> >>>>>>>>>>> this will be will depend on how you are
> configuring/provisioning
> >>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> systems.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> David Lang
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>   On Tue, 16 Nov 2021, Scott Slattery wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 15:14:51 -0700
> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Scott Slattery <[email protected]>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: David Lang <[email protected]>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Scott Slattery via rsyslog <[email protected]>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [rsyslog] FROMHOST missing on central log
> collector
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, David, I was hoping this was possible. Since the
> compute
> >>>>>>>>>>> resources
> >>>>>>>>>>>> are dynamic, using any sort of local /etc/hosts would be
> >>> impossible
> >>>>>>>>> since
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the IP are unpredictable. Can you point me to how I would do
> >>> this
> >>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> client-server?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Scott Slattery*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sr. Enterprise/Cloud Architect*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Cloud, Compute, Information & Architecture Team*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> motorolasolutions.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *O: 602.529.8226*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *E*: [email protected]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 2:59 PM David Lang <[email protected]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> fromhost is the result of a name lookup of fromhost-ip. On
> the
> >>>>>>>>> receiver,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> you can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> control this with your name resolution (DNS, /etc/hosts,
> other
> >>>>>>>>>>> mechanisms)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> but a better option would probably be to set the hostname on
> >>> the
> >>>>>>>>> sender.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> hostname field in the message is under the full control of
> the
> >>>>>>> sender.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> David Lang
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 16 Nov 2021, Scott Slattery via rsyslog wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 14:56:09 -0700
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Scott Slattery via rsyslog <[email protected]
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Scott Slattery <[email protected]>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [rsyslog] FROMHOST missing on central log collector
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a central log server, many of them, using rsyslog to
> >>>>>>> aggregate
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> logs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from remote servers. Everything works great but I have a new
> >>>>>>>>> challenge
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> am hoping for some recommendations.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a number of AWS auto-scaling groups where compute
> >>>>> resources
> >>>>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dynamically scaled up and down. Each of these will have a
> >>> custom
> >>>>>>>>>>> rsyslog
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> configuration pulled from the AWS AMI.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> These dynamic resources are not added to DNS due to their
> >>> dynamic
> >>>>>>>>>>> nature
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> so
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they will not have DNS assigned FQDNs.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because of the lack of a hostname, my central log server is
> >>>>> getting
> >>>>>>>>>>> only
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IP. I aggregate based on FROMHOST-FROMHOST-IP.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So what I'm seeing today looks like
> >>> '10.38.134.77-10.38.134.77'
> >>>>>>>>> where I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to see ause1oagbtst03.mydomain.com-10.41.102.168
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What I'd want to do is have easy resource send using the
> same
> >>>>>>>>> hostname
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> current IP. This later will allow me to aggregate all
> >>> resources
> >>>>> by
> >>>>>>>>>>> name.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not see any way of affecting the FROMHOST information
> >>>>> unless,
> >>>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> collector, I have rules based on IP address which isn't
> >>> optimal
> >>>>>>> given
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dynamic nature of the IPs changing.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any suggestion is appreciated.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Scott Slattery*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sr. Enterprise/Cloud Architect*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Cloud, Compute, Information & Architecture Team*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> motorolasolutions.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *O: 602.529.8226*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *E*: [email protected]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
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