Hi all, This whole packaging and dependency thing is why I suggested that RoseGarden also be made available as an AppImage. Even for experienced Linux music users and developers getting the most recent versions of RoseGarden to "work" leads to dependency hell. Try to compile it on a somewhat older version of Linux (necessary because of legacy hardware and other necessary software) and it truly becomes a total nightmare. So hard, that I'm just using older versions of RoseGarden.
Other major Linux audio and video creation software projects such as LMMS, SonicVisualiser, SonicLineup, and Shotcut are already doing this. Some of these, such as the Sonic.. series have developers in common with RoseGarden, so the skill set exists among core developers. Do I have to offer a bounty on this? Stay safe all. Rich > On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 17:19:58 -1000 > david <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 2/8/21 1:00 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> > On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 14:05:04 +0100 >> > Tom Peters <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> Chuck, Michael, Lorenzo: >> >> thank you very much for your input. >> >> Michael, Lorenzo, I share your sentiment. I think it is fair now in >> the >> >> 22nd year of the 21st century to expect from a computer application: >> >> 1) that the package management system like apt is configured that an >> >> application will get all its dependencies so that it will actually >> work; >> >> 2) that an application is configured with sensible defaults so that >> it >> >> actually works out of the box. >> > agreed >> > >> > I sympathize with the devs who want to >> > just improve the product that is but its >> > extremely frustrating to have to hunt for >> > basics. Let's not forget that a user may >> > well be a novice to both musicware AND Linux. >> > Again, I wanna stress that I'm trying to >> > throw pebbles but leaving earth orbit should >> > kinda come before nuclear sails or mars >> > landings. Is it THAT difficult to hardwire >> > SOME minimal sound ability if only to show >> > that the right software is being tried? >> > Other apps can do it, at least at some >> > rudimentary level at first. >> >> So far, PulseAudio seems to have basic sound sorted out upon >> installation - if you only have one audio device and want to use it for >> everything. >> >> Package management systems depend on humans to specify what to include >> in or require for a package. The package maintainers decide how heavy or >> light they want their package to be. Say your package wants MIDI output. >> Does it require a particular MIDI output application like Timidity, >> Fluidsynth, Qsynth, etc? Do you make that application a requirement for >> someone that already has another MIDI output set up on their system? Do >> you make it optional so someone that installs just the application has >> no MIDI output after installation and has to install/configure yet >> another application? >> >> Also, what's a "sensible default" vs something that someone else might >> consider a headache or bloatware? On all my systems, PulseAudio my >> systems defaulted to one form or another of on-board audio - either the >> built-in hardware connected to laptop speakers/headphone jack, or HDMI. >> The PA default was useless on one system, a headache to deal with on my >> main laptop, and suitable only on the netbook. None of my HDMI monitors >> include speakers, so no sound output. >> >> Doing pro audio/MIDI is not in the same league as just playing MP3s or >> Youtube videos. I read about some of the MIDI setups people on the list >> have - multiple hardware synths, external keyboards, multichannel sound >> cards, softsynths running on multiple machines, etc. Seems to me like >> there's *no* "sensible default" that would apply to every situation. >> >> I remember discussion years back in the RG world: should RG require >> Lilypond for printing scores. >> >> I have a friend, singer/songwriter, that's exclusively used Windows >> audio systems setup by professional techs. It seems to me that not even >> Windows has it sorted out if you need a professional to set up your >> Windows audio system! > > > Ok, I guess I wrote something that asks for it, > should have written > > "I wanna stress that I'm _NOT_ trying to throw pebbles" :) > > If it were MY watch I'd make it make a sound, > however unsophisticated, until the user can > sort things out. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > [email protected] - use the link below to unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user > _______________________________________________ Rosegarden-user mailing list [email protected] - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
