Dear Huy I would add don't forget to check the output of your calculated density, if you have an expected value.... Natale
________________________________ Da: Ross H Colman <ucca...@ucl.ac.uk> A: Huy LE-QUOC <huy.le-q...@lpsc.in2p3.fr> Cc: rietveld_l@ill.fr Inviato: Gio 3 dicembre 2009, 11:34:37 Oggetto: Re: How to calculate "Occupation number" in FullProf Dear Huy, In order to minimise the information needed to describe a crystal structure, we use space groups that define the symmetry of the unit cell. Each space group has a different set of symmetry opperators that can generate multiple atoms in the unit cell when you only give the atomic coordinates of one of the atoms, as they are all related by the inherent symmetry of the space group. For most of the unit cell ('general positions'), you can apply all of the symmetry opperators and generate all of the related positions but on 'special sites' applying all of the symmetry opperators will generate more than one atom at a position. The easy way of visuallising this is by having an atom one side of a mirror plane. The mirror plane generates a second atom, equal distance from the opposite face of the mirror plane. As you move the first atom closer and closer to the mirror plane the two atoms get closer until they sit on top of each other, when the atom resides on the plane itself. Obviously in a real system two atoms do not sit on top of each other but in fact there is just one atom. This is known as overgeneration, as the symmetry opperators of the space group have gnereated more atoms than there actually are. Some refinement programs deal with overgeneration internally, such as GSAS, but fullprof requires you to correct for overgeneration. The way you do this is to look up the multiplicity of the specific atomic site for that atom in the International Tables for Crystallography, then divide it by the multiplicity of the general position and put this value into fulprof as the the occupation number. i.e. fullprof would generate two atoms on the mirror plane so you must set the occupancy to 0.5. That way the total number of atoms on the site is 2 x 0.5 = 1. This complicates things when a site in your crystal is also deficient. If you do not have unity occupancy then you must multiply the occupancy (SOF) that you do have by the correction value for overgeneration. So for your Mg2Sn you are right that the occupancies that you need to put in for Mg and Sn are 8/192 and 4/192 respectively if you have unity occupancy on the sites but if you also need to take into account any site deficiencies then you must further multiply these values by your SOF values. I hope that answered your question, and am sure that Juan (that wrote fullprof, just over the road from you) has probably already replied with a better answer. Ross > Dear all, > > As a newbie in FullProf (and also in crystallography) I'm being > confused with the parameter "Occupation number" (Occ). > > In fact, as indicated in the FullProf Manual: > > /"Occupation number i.e. chemical occupancy × site multiplicity (can be > normalised to the multiplicity of the general position of the group)."/ > > What is the meaning of this "Occupation number" and difference between > "Occupation number" and SOF ? > > Could anyone help me to explain how to find the value of chemical > occupancy, site multiplicity ? And how can the Occupation number be > "/normalised to the multiplicity of the general position of the group/" ? > > I have tried to calculate for Mg2Sn (Fm3m), with Mg at the site 8c and > Sn at 4a, then Occupation number of Mg is 8/192 and that of Sn is 4/192. > Is this right ? > > Thanks in advance for your any help. > > Huy LE-QUOC, > LPSC/CRPMN - CNRS > 53 rue des Martyrs, Grenoble 38026, FRANCE > > >