Andy, The TTL is an extension to the domain name update, so they are not independent. The same goes for the DNSSEC extension, where I don't believe the "events" member of the "dsData"member is generally used. Are there RDAP servers that include "dsData" "events" member that differs from the "domain" "events" member?
-- JG James Gould Fellow Engineer jgo...@verisign.com <applewebdata://13890C55-AAE8-4BF3-A6CE-B4BA42740803/jgo...@verisign.com> 703-948-3271 12061 Bluemont Way Reston, VA 20190 Verisign.com <http://verisigninc.com/> On 1/3/24, 10:27 AM, "Andrew Newton" <a...@hxr.us <mailto:a...@hxr.us>> wrote: Caution: This email originated from outside the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Given that the TTL can be updated independently of the domain name, there is utility in exposing TTLs in RDAP especially if that information can be given with the events & links as is done with the DNSSEC data in RDAP. I know I have had times in the past when I needed to know when a TTL was last changed. Here is the example from 9083: "secureDNS": { "zoneSigned": true, "delegationSigned": true, "maxSigLife": 604800, "keyData": [ { "flags": 257, "protocol": 3, "algorithm": 8, "publicKey": "AwEAAa6eDzronzjEDbT...Jg1M5N rBSPkuXpdFE=", "events": [ { "eventAction": "last changed", "eventDate": "2012-07-23T05:15:47Z" } ] } ] } -andy On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 7:17 AM Gould, James <jgould=40verisign....@dmarc.ietf.org <mailto:40verisign....@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote: > > Gavin, > > Agreed that the base RDAP RFCs include DNS information, but in the case of > nameservers they are standard provisioning objects with the host EPP mapping > in RFC 5733 and with additional attributes. I don't believe that there is > value in replicating DNS information in RDAP that is not related to other > information (e.g., creation date, updated date, transfer date, sponsorship) > that may have value to the public. My recommendation is to focus management > of TTL in EPP with its impact on DNS and leave RDAP alone. Let's not go down > the slippery slope of bloating RDAP by replicating DNS information when there > is no perceived value. > > -- > > JG > > > > James Gould > Fellow Engineer > jgo...@verisign.com <mailto:jgo...@verisign.com> > <applewebdata://13890C55-AAE8-4BF3-A6CE-B4BA42740803/jgo...@verisign.com > <mailto:jgo...@verisign.com>> > > 703-948-3271 > 12061 Bluemont Way > Reston, VA 20190 > > Verisign.com > <http://secure-web.cisco.com/1G5fgdFkXdulNRG5Wp0MVgw1N8i2VEWJQUqwCuJTkvB2kDu268F7-47Eg0aesDAxPh36PrN-BVhPV2ZborUE-FR1IZFEvNJXO8R7Ccnpd9dkn-4xLoRNmcdjvygo-HiW5AILZ210BGYByHPgWFMY_t8bn4rN0Kiie59Tp9nF9VQzp64FkNBUd469D9wtTrM6babIyDlob_xhplmt2cCazwGsgYlGbD8LZCuiW8hPPfGISqINVDEjI4cfTuKnRxbHfDLfhlUrIY1E_uGUQNLS5XNkRNQVAuFoIdFHGMWCy5fY/http%3A%2F%2Fverisigninc.com%2F> > > <http://secure-web.cisco.com/1G5fgdFkXdulNRG5Wp0MVgw1N8i2VEWJQUqwCuJTkvB2kDu268F7-47Eg0aesDAxPh36PrN-BVhPV2ZborUE-FR1IZFEvNJXO8R7Ccnpd9dkn-4xLoRNmcdjvygo-HiW5AILZ210BGYByHPgWFMY_t8bn4rN0Kiie59Tp9nF9VQzp64FkNBUd469D9wtTrM6babIyDlob_xhplmt2cCazwGsgYlGbD8LZCuiW8hPPfGISqINVDEjI4cfTuKnRxbHfDLfhlUrIY1E_uGUQNLS5XNkRNQVAuFoIdFHGMWCy5fY/http%3A%2F%2Fverisigninc.com%2F>> > > > > > On 1/3/24, 4:44 AM, "Gavin Brown" <gavin.br...@icann.org > <mailto:gavin.br...@icann.org> <mailto:gavin.br...@icann.org > <mailto:gavin.br...@icann.org>>> wrote: > > > Caution: This email originated from outside the organization. Do not click > links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the > content is safe. > > > Hi Jim, > > > > On 2 Jan 2024, at 14:52, Gould, James <jgo...@verisign.com > > <mailto:jgo...@verisign.com> <mailto:jgo...@verisign.com > > <mailto:jgo...@verisign.com>>> wrote: > > > > Gavin, > > > > I question the need for a TTL RDAP extension, since the TTLs are easily > > assessable in DNS to the public. The management of the TTLs is provisioned > > in EPP via the TTL EPP extension and can be made available to the > > registrant by the registrar. There are examples of DNS information > > duplicated in RDAP, such as the DNSSEC information in RFC 9083, but I'm > > concerned with setting the pattern of duplicating additional DNS > > information with no perceived value. > > > > > RDAP domain objects contain other information that can also be obtained in > the DNS, such as nameservers, glue, and DS records. Evidently there is value > in providing this information via an alternate channel (such as to debug DNS > resolution issues). Providing TTL information via RDAP is consistent with > that approach and will also be helpful in the same scenarios. > > > G. > > > > Thanks, > > > > -- > > > > JG > > > > > > > > James Gould > > Fellow Engineer > > jgo...@verisign.com <mailto:jgo...@verisign.com> > > <mailto:jgo...@verisign.com <mailto:jgo...@verisign.com>> > > <applewebdata://13890C55-AAE8-4BF3-A6CE-B4BA42740803/jgo...@verisign.com > > <mailto:jgo...@verisign.com> <mailto:jgo...@verisign.com > > <mailto:jgo...@verisign.com>>> > > > > 703-948-3271 > > 12061 Bluemont Way > > Reston, VA 20190 > > > > Verisign.com > > 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