Hi James, That new text works for me.
Sorry for the mixup about whether everything was resolved and the slow response time -- my holiday break ended up being a long one this year, for various reasons. -Benjamin On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 09:17:41PM +0000, Gould, James wrote: > Adam, > > Thanks for raising the blocking clarification item, since I thought > everything was taken care of. > > Ben, how about revising the first paragraph of section 2.3 to read: > > The <changePoll:who> element defines who executed the operation for > audit purposes. It is a freeform value that is strictly meant for audit > purposes > and not meant to drive client-side logic. The scheme used for the possible > set of <changePoll:who> element values is up to server policy. The server > MAY identify the <changePoll:who> element value based on: > > Any proposed changes or additional clarification needed? > > Thanks, > > — > > JG > > > > James Gould > Distinguished Engineer > jgo...@verisign.com > > 703-948-3271 > 12061 Bluemont Way > Reston, VA 20190 > > Verisign.com <http://verisigninc.com/> > > On 1/3/19, 4:05 PM, "regext on behalf of Adam Roach" > <regext-boun...@ietf.org on behalf of a...@nostrum.com> wrote: > > James -- > > When I poked Ben about the delta between -10 and -11, he indicated that > there were some additional clarifications he was waiting for. > Specifically: > > > I think that James had said: > > > > % I'll provide a little bit more clarification around the basis for the > use > > % of a freeform token for the <changePoll:who> element. The > <changePoll:who> > > % element is meant for audit purposes and is not meant for driving > > % client-side logic, so use of a freeform token based on server policy > is the > > % best fit. This is similar to the use of the <domain:crID> and > > % <domain:upID> elements in RFC 5731, where identifying who created the > > % domain name or updated the domain name is returned for audit purposes > > % using a freeform token. > > > > which is the main thing that I was waiting to see happen. (Assuming my > > brain is functioning correctly, of course.) But maybe I missed some > > follow-up about why that was not actually a good idea. > > It looks like this should be a rather simple matter of adding clarifying > text about <changePoll:who> values into the document that explains the > same thing as the text above. Benjamin, please correct me if I'm wrong. > > /a > > > > On 12/26/18 9:38 AM, Gould, James wrote: > > Benjamin, > > > > A new version, draft-ietf-regext-change-poll-11, has been published > that incorporates the updates based on your feedback. > > > > Thanks, > > > > — > > > > JG > > > > > > > > James Gould > > Distinguished Engineer > > jgo...@verisign.com > > > > 703-948-3271 > > 12061 Bluemont Way > > Reston, VA 20190 > > > > Verisign.com <http://verisigninc.com/> > > > > On 12/10/18, 5:37 PM, "Benjamin Kaduk" <ka...@mit.edu> wrote: > > > > Thanks; this sounds like a good path forward. I'll note that I'm > on PTO > > this week, so I may be slow to respond to a new rev being issued. > > > > -Benjamin > > > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 04:48:18PM +0000, Gould, James wrote: > > > Benjamin, > > > > > > Thank you for your review and feedback. I provide responses to > your feedback embedded below. > > > > > > — > > > > > > JG > > > > > > > > > > > > James Gould > > > Distinguished Engineer > > > jgo...@verisign.com > > > > > > 703-948-3271 > > > 12061 Bluemont Way > > > Reston, VA 20190 > > > > > > Verisign.com <http://verisigninc.com/> > > > > > > On 12/7/18, 5:52 AM, "Benjamin Kaduk" <ka...@mit.edu> wrote: > > > > > > Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for > > > draft-ietf-regext-change-poll-10: Discuss > > > > > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and > reply to all > > > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free > to cut this > > > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > > > > > > Please refer to > https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > > > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT > positions. > > > > > > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be > found here: > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-regext-change-poll/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > DISCUSS: > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > This is a fairly minor point, but the text of Section 2.3 > implies that there is > > > a distinct list of identifier types that the server MAY use > (and thus that there would > > > be a protocol element to convey such an identifier type), > but the actual schema in > > > Section 4.1 is clear that the <changePoll:who> element is > just a freeform token with > > > some modest length restrictions (i.e., no place for internal > structure). I'd like to > > > hear from others on the IESG whether the text about the > schema used being up > > > to server policy is enough to make this clear, or we think > there is some level of > > > internal inconsistency in the document to be rectified. > > > > > > JG - I'll provide a little bit more clarification around the > basis for the use of a freeform token for the <changePoll:who> element. The > <changePoll:who> element is meant for audit purposes and is not meant for > driving client-side logic, so use of a freeform token based on server policy > is the best fit. This is similar to the use of the <domain:crID> and > <domain:upID> elements in RFC 5731, where identifying who created the domain > name or updated the domain name is returned for audit purposes using a > freeform token. > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > COMMENT: > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Thanks for the generally well-written document! > > > > > > There are several places in the document where we read about > a "list of [...] > > > values includes" that is in fact required to be one of a > fixed enumerated set > > > of values. In such cases I would suggest "comprises" or > "is" rather than "includes", > > > which could be taken to indicate the possibility of > additional values being defined > > > at a later time. Section 2.1 has multiple instances of > this, and Section 3.12. as well. > > > > > > JG - Thanks, I see your point that using "include" can mean that > there may be more. I like the option of "is". I'll make that change in the > following places: > > > Section 2.1: "The enumerated list of <changePoll:operation> > values include:" to "The enumerated list of <changePoll:operation> values is:" > > > Section 3.1.2: "The enumerated list of case types include:" to " > The enumerated list of case types is:" > > > > > > Section 2.2 > > > > > > Maybe state explicitly what it's inserted into, for clarity. > > > > > > JG - I can update "... MUST be inserted prior to ..." to "... > MUST be inserted into the message queue prior to ..." > > > > > > Section 2.3 > > > > > > "CSR" could expand to either "Customer Support > Representative" or > > > "Certificate Signing Request" for some people. I don't know > if there's > > > better name to suggest. > > > > > > JG - I believe the reference to "CSR" as "Customer Support > Representative" is pretty standard in the domain name industry with no > confusion to a "CSR" in the digital certificate industry. > > > > > > Section 2.4 > > > > > > I don't know if it's worth saying anything that would remind > recipients of > > > their (non-?)obligation to accept time values that > correspond to leap > > > seconds, but IIRC we've seen cases in the past of software > that chokes when > > > presented with leap-second timestamps. > > > > > > JG - This is standard boilerplate text in the EPP RFCs (RFC 5731 > - 5733) that include timestamps, and I'm not aware of any EPP software issues > associated with leap-second timestamps that warrants a reminder in this EPP > draft. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > regext mailing list > regext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/regext > > _______________________________________________ regext mailing list regext@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/regext
