I upgraded my initscripts and making ppp connections died. Sigh. I tweaked and I almost got it but chat dies with an error about not being able to attach to or open or get a terminal. It's being run, of course, by ifup-ppp0. I don't see any updates to chat nor anything in the man page that would make it detach and run without a terminal (I'm not giving it any parameters like -V or the others that make it write to standard error. Any ideas? -Alan --- Alan D. Mead / Research Scientist / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Institute for Personality and Ability Testing 1801 Woodfield Dr / Savoy IL 61874 USA 217-352-4739 (v) / 217-352-9674 (f) -- To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.