On Thu, 2003-01-09 at 09:59, Nathan G. Grennan wrote: > > > 2) As usual from all the upgrades, the upgrade method completely breaks > > > down/destroys all the desktop URL shortcuts. After the upgrade you see > > > urlABXCY86xErer or something like that and the shortcut is useless. Same > > > thing happened in previous upgrades, every time I had to remove them and > > > recreate them if I new where they pointed to. > > > > I never upgrade. I keep my /home directory on it's own partition and do > > a fresh install everytime. This may be the source of many of the > > problems you mention. > > > > I do the same thing, and it still gets me into trouble with settings in > my home directory. The best thing to do is a fresh install without > wiping the home directory, rename/move your users home directories, and > then slowly and carefully move stuff back into the new home directories.
Yeah, I usually rm -rf .gnome and the like (I don't mind spending a couple of hours setting up a new desktop every 6 months or so). > > The real solution is to realize that RedHat made great efforts with 8.0 > > to make the desktop more usable for the average user but that this meant > > widespread changes in the interface. Take the time to explore it a bit > > before complaining about "serious" problems (of which you don't seem to > > really have many, just annoyances). It doesn't seem to me that you've > > really tried very hard as many of the things you complain about are just > > a few mouse clicks away. While having a familiar system change > > underneath of you can be frustrating, it certainly isn't unique to > > RedHat or even Linux (consider WinXP). If everything stayed the same, > > we'd still be using FVWM or TWM. If you've used Linux for 10 years I'd > > expect you'd show a little more tenacity than that <wink>. > > > > Hang in there, > > I agree and disagree. RedHat and Gnome have made many bad efforts to > make 8.0 worse desktop. By "great" I meant "large", not "wonderful". There are certainly *many* improvements that are needed. I certainly don't think it's a dead horse though. > I do agree much of it is just changes to how you > do things, though many of the changes go too far. I could rant about > many more serious problems with 8.0. I hope to see them properly > addressed with 8.1(hence why I am running Phoebe right now). IMHO 8.0 > shouldn't have even been released, or should have been released in a > very different form. Many of the things included in 8.0 needed another 6 > months or more of maturing before they were really ready. But that's Open Source: release early, release often. Granted RH is a commercial venture, which should constrain them a bit, but overall I'm a lot happier with 8.0 than any previous version. I suspect had they waited another 6 months, the changes would have been even more drastic. Plus, with the release of GNOME2, RH 8 was a way of pushing developers to move to the new desktop. Many of the problems I've encountered with 8.0 have to do with running GTK1 apps. I, too, expect 8.1 to be a lot better. -- Cliff Wells, Software Engineer Logiplex Corporation (www.logiplex.net) (503) 978-6726 x308 (800) 735-0555 x308
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