> > 2) As usual from all the upgrades, the upgrade method completely breaks
> > down/destroys all the desktop URL shortcuts. After the upgrade you see
> > urlABXCY86xErer or something like that and the shortcut is useless. Same
> > thing happened in previous upgrades, every time I had to remove them and
> > recreate them if I new where they pointed to.
> 
> I never upgrade.  I keep my /home directory on it's own partition and do
> a fresh install everytime.  This may be the source of many of the
> problems you mention.
> 

I do the same thing, and it still gets me into trouble with settings in
my home directory. The best thing to do is a fresh install without
wiping the home directory, rename/move your users home directories, and
then slowly and carefully move stuff back into the new home directories.

> > 3) The "new" menu system of that blue thing is disappointing too. Can't find
> > anything as I used to in my previous Gnome/Sawfish thing. There is no
> > possibility
> > to select other window managers even though the RPMs for those are
> > installed?
> 
> Yes, you can change your window manager (Metacity is the default under
> RH 8.0).  A 2 second search of Google turned this up:
> 
> """
> from a terminal, run
> killall metacity; sleep 3; sawfish
> 
> after that, run
> gnome-session-save
> """
> 

This is likely not to work. killall -9 metacity ; sawfish  is a better
choice. I have in the past sometimes had to uninstall metacity to make
sure it doesn't restart.

> > So I guess that is it, after 10 years of being a fervent Linux user I have
> > grown terribly disappointed :( and RH8.0 seems to have given the final blow
> > to that. Anyway, if anybody knows solutions to the above mentioned issues
> > I would appreciate it.
> 
> The real solution is to realize that RedHat made great efforts with 8.0
> to make the desktop more usable for the average user but that this meant
> widespread changes in the interface.  Take the time to explore it a bit
> before complaining about "serious" problems (of which you don't seem to
> really have many, just annoyances).  It doesn't seem to me that you've
> really tried very hard as many of the things you complain about are just
> a few mouse clicks away.  While having a familiar system change
> underneath of you can be frustrating, it certainly isn't unique to
> RedHat or even Linux (consider WinXP).  If everything stayed the same,
> we'd still be using FVWM or TWM.  If you've used Linux for 10 years I'd
> expect you'd show a little more tenacity than that <wink>.
> 
> Hang in there,

I agree and disagree. RedHat and Gnome have made many bad efforts to
make 8.0 worse desktop. I do agree much of it is just changes to how you
do things, though many of the changes go too far. I could rant about
many more serious problems with 8.0. I hope to see them properly
addressed with 8.1(hence why I am running Phoebe right now). IMHO 8.0
shouldn't have even been released, or should have been released in a
very different form. Many of the things included in 8.0 needed another 6
months or more of maturing before they were really ready.



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