I think there might be some confusion on this thread. 
Yes I’ve done crimp battery lug connections for 30 yrs. I know many of mine are not UL listed for all sorts of reasons. I use the V crimp mechanical advantage style, not the sledge hammer type. And I’ve never had one fail. And they don’t require a ferrule. 

There are two types of battery cable termination at the inverter. 
1: bolt connection which requires  a cable and crimped on lug. 
Sol ark, midnite, outback etc. 

2: a non bolt connection, now maybe I’m using the wrong terminology. I’m call it set screw like on my previous email link or some called a terminal block. 
This style the bare end of the cable is inserted into the terminal block connection. The set screw is then torqued down to the specified amount. 
This is the type that has two versions, 1 that is fine strand rated and 2 those that are not which require a ferrule. 
These inverters include LUX power and others. LUX power is who makes the EG4 and Fortress inverters. 

I hope this clears up any confusion. 

Jay





On Sep 3, 2025, at 6:44 PM, Eric Smiley via RE-wrenches <[email protected]> wrote:


I've used the yellow hex crimper you showed in the picture. I found that if I did two crimps, rotating between each crimp and not completely bottoming out the first crimp, I didn't get "wings".
 

Eric Smiley, Design Manager
Viridian Solar
250.703.6004

On Wed, Sep 3, 2025, 11:57 Kent via RE-wrenches <[email protected]> wrote:

William,

If the only reason the ferrule wouldn't fit after using the hex crimper was the ridge left where the dies meet, you could rotate the cable 120 degrees and crimp the ferrule again.

I doubt that the indenter crimper will do a decent job with large ferrules.

I do like your thin piece of copper solution. Not UL approved but I dare say wrench approved.

Kent Osterberg
Blue Mountain Solar


On 9/2/2025 8:55 PM, William Miller via RE-wrenches wrote:

Friends:

 

Thank you for all of your input on this question.  I feel it only right I report back how this turned out

 

I tried a crimper like this:

 

 

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It left a jagged ridge on both sides of the ferrule where the dies met.

 

The crimper below was suggested but I have not tried it:

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This was suggested but I have not tried it either:

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I had tried a similar crimper to the two above but it expanded the width of the ferrule beyond what the lug would accept.

 

Here is what several of you suggested:  Slip the ferrule over the strands and insert it into the lug and let the set screw do the crimping for you.  We tried this but the 4/0 ferrule when not crimped would not fit into the battery lug on a fortress Envy 12.  The Envy 12 installation manual indicates a wire range of 1/0 to 3/0 and the placard inside the wire compartment door says up to 4/0.  The lug seems tight for 4/0.

 

Here is what we did:  Back in the days of the Trace DC250 (maybe 1988-ish) we had trouble wrangling all of the strands of a fine-stranded 4/0 battery cable to all fit in the lug without a bunch of strands poking out.  I found some thin (~35 gauge) copper sheet at a local hobby shop.  I would clean and polish it shiny and cut a little strip of the sheet slightly wider than the strip length and long enough to wrap about 1-1/4 times around the strand.  I would wrap it tightly around the strands and hold it temporarily in place with a thin cable tie.  I bent the end of the sheet into a chamfered shape to help guide the assembly into the lug.  After I got it started I would snip the cable tie, fully insert the cable and tighten the set screw.  I never had one of these connections fail.  This is what we did on the Envy 12 battery cables. 

 

The next day we removed all of the set screws and inspected the connections.  They all looked great:  The copper sheeting had not twisted, it had a nice, shapely dimple and, peaking up into the lug, the cable looked to be well seated.

 

I hope this feedback helps someone, someday.

 

William

 

Miller Solar

17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422

805-438-5600

www.millersolar.com

CA Lic. 773985

 

 


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