Wrenches,
So MPPT,s working at high voltage high and high current with even with the
electronic switching you will generate heat and over time heat kills
Fun times
On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, 8:04 PM Jeff Clearwater via RE-wrenches <
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> Ahh I see the light now on the inverter size point. Still I wonder if all
> MPPts are made equal in terms if they ability to clip high ratios with no
> ill-effects.
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> On Jan 27, 2025, at 7:55 PM, Jeff Clearwater <je...@villagepowerdesign.com>
> wrote:
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> Yes I’ve wondered about this too and there is much debate on forums etc
> about exactly how this works.
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> Large PV plants have long used 1.4 order of magnitude ratios to maximize
> economics (but much of that was under “per watt” incentives rather than
> performance based incentives).
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> However I’ve long wondered what the true effect of red-lining MPPTs is.
> I’ve seen it as more of a lifetime issue but I wonder that if you consider
> overheating of the circuit if we might actually be clipping more than just
> squaring the top off the curve.   Perhaps PVWatts modeled this?  They are
> pretty thorough there at NREL.   Or perhaps they have a bug or sloppy
> programming. It would be worth asking them. Anyone got a buddy at NREL we
> can ask?
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> On Jan 27, 2025, at 12:43 PM, jay via RE-wrenches <
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> HI David,
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> My point exactly.
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> On Jan 27, 2025, at 1:35 PM, david quattro via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
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> Jay you are right - that doesn’t make sense because with more PV, the
> system will reach “max AC out“ power sooner every morning and hold it
> longer into the evening
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> On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 12:20 PM George McClellan via RE-wrenches <
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>> Probably due to clipping.  The panels are generating more energy than the
>> power electronics can process, so that excess energy gets cut off (or
>> clipped).  It looks like a 1.2 ratio is optimal.
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>> HI All
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>> I’m working with a customer who’s pretty savvy and is using PV watts for
>> his design.
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>> What I can’t figure out is the kwh/year goes down if he uses dc/ac ration
>> of 1.5 instead of 1.2 which is the default.
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>> Hes in Santa Fe NM.
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>> .8   ratio=  1663 kwh/yr
>> 1.0 ratio = 1668 kwh/yr
>> 1.2 ratio =  1671 kwh/yr
>> 1.5 ratio = 1623 kwh/yr
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>> I was expecting that more PV = more kWh/yr.
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>> What am i missing?
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>> standard module
>> fixed roof mount
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>> 10 degree tilt
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>> jay
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