Hi Dave - I keep hearing that Tesla is having a hard time keeping up with demand, so they may not be very motivated to add more dealers at this point. Just speculation.
Yes, the max continuous and peak powers add as you add up as you add more powerwalls. Energy capacity adds too. Yes, Powerwall has liquid cooling - I don't know what type of fluid it is. According to the Powerwall newsletter I received, the Powerwall will heat itself with the liquid cooling/heating system to deal with sub-freezing conditions. This will use some energy. August On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 10:14 AM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar < offgridso...@sti.net> wrote: > The AC powerwall has cooling, it is a liquid? Anyone know if the 5kw > continuous and 7kw peak limits change with multiple units? > > > Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar > "we go where powerlines don't" > http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ > e-mail offgridso...@sti.net > text 209 813 0060 > > > I think that this may have come up before, but I do not remember there > > being a resolution: > > Do you guys have any tips on becoming a Tesla dealer? We have people ask > > about it all the time, but we have not been able to get Tesla to respond. > > We have installed Sonnen, which is also a great system, but the up front > > expense scares many people away. We are located in upstate NY which may > > have something to do with it. > > > > Cheers, > > Dave > > > > > > *--* > > > > > > *Dave Tedeyan* > > *Senior Engineer* > > > > *Taitem Engineering, PC* > > 10 Verizon Lane, Lansing, NY 14882 > > Voice: (607) 930-3481 x6 > > www.taitem.com > > > > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 10:36 AM, August Goers <aug...@luminalt.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Marco, > >> > >> Thanks for sharing, it is good to hear details from an installer who is > >> living with a Powerwall. We starting selling the Powerwall 2 in 2017 and > >> have worked up a large pipeline. We have about 20 installed so far, but > >> are > >> still waiting on utility permission to operate which is taking a long > >> time. > >> We have spent a good deal of time commissioning and testing each system. > >> For the most part, our experience has been good although the > >> commissioning > >> software and internet connectivity features have been buggy. Hopefully > >> those are issues that will be ironed out by Tesla. Otherwise, we've had > >> the > >> systems correctly operate in on-grid and off-grid modes with both > >> Solaredge > >> and SunPower Equinox AC coupled systems. > >> > >> We installed conventional lead acid battery backup systems for over 10 > >> years and I can confidently say that Tesla's Powerwall and Gateway setup > >> is truly market-disruptive. The design flexibility of the Gateway setup, > >> the small size, minimal labor to install, and performance blow other > >> systems out of the water. I hope that other manufacturers are able to > >> catch > >> up with this type of design. > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> August > >> > >> *August Goers* > >> > >> Luminalt Energy Corporation > >> > >> o: 415.641.4000 <(415)%20641-4000> > >> > >> www.luminalt.com > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 12:23 PM, Marco Mangelsdorf > >> <ma...@pvthawaii.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> *Aloha Wrenches,* > >>> > >>> > >>> *I thought I'd share my own experiences with the Powerwall as my > >>> company > >>> is now launching a program to add PW to existing NEM systems since the > >>> vast > >>> majority of them do not have storage which means that if the grid goes > >>> down, so does their PV system. (With the exception of the SMA SB line > >>> and > >>> their Secure Power Supply.)* > >>> > >>> > >>> *And no, I'm not a shill or toadie for Tesla.* > >>> > >>> > >>> *marco * > >>> > >>> *I wanted to walk my own talk. Before we launched adding Powerwall to > >>> existing Net Energy Metered solar electric systems, I wanted to make > >>> sure > >>> that what was promised on paper would work in the real world. I added > >>> Powerwall to my NEM system last year and have been monitoring and > >>> testing > >>> it during normal grid-on and grid outage modes. And I’m very pleased > >>> to > >>> report that Powerwall has performed flawlessly and as expected.* > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> *When used in a NEM system, Powerwall is programmed to be in > >>> “Backup†> >>> mode. When utility power is on, Powerwall stands ready in a full state > >>> of > >>> charge for any power outage. During normal grid-on conditions, my > >>> Powerall > >>> takes about .6 kilowatt-hours every other day to stay fully charged. > >>> Over > >>> the course of the month, this Powerwall’s electricity consumption > >>> comes to > >>> about 9 kWhs or about $3/month at the current HELCO R rate.* > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> *I have turned the utility power off to my home on a number of > >>> occasions > >>> in order to experience how Powerwall would perform in a simulated grid > >>> outage. When the grid goes down, my house effectively becomes a > >>> self-generating micro-grid. That is, my photovoltaic system (solar > >>> modules > >>> and inverters) and Powerwall (battery storage and integrated inverter) > >>> form > >>> a power grid with energy being created and stored and then consumed by > >>> my > >>> electric loads.* > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> *Several things I noted from my simulated grid outages:* > >>> > >>> *· I purposefully overloaded Powerwall by turning on my > >>> electric > >>> dryer and electric oven at the same time. As expected, since the > >>> maximum > >>> output of Powerwall is 5 kilowatts, it shutdown. Meaning that all the > >>> power in my house went off. Within seconds, Powerwall reset itself and > >>> the > >>> power came back on, with the dryer and oven having shut down after the > >>> power went off. If power does not come back on after your Powerwall > >>> trips > >>> off, you will need to turn off those high-power loads and reset > >>> Powerwall > >>> by turning its black on-off switch, located on the right side of the > >>> unit, > >>> from on to off and then on again. The important takeaway: during a > >>> utility > >>> outage, you will need to be careful as far as operating heavy electric > >>> loads, especially 240 volt appliances both from the perspective of > >>> overloading your Powerwall and rapidly drawing down the battery > >>> capacity, > >>> especially at night.* > >>> > >>> *· The magic of frequency shifting. Without getting into too > >>> much techno-talk, this is the story of frequency shifting. Normal > >>> utility > >>> frequency is 60 hertz (Hz). PV inverters require the utility frequency > >>> to > >>> be at or near 60 Hz in order to operate. During a grid outage, > >>> Powerwall > >>> effectively establishes grid quality power (120/240 volts at 60 Hz), > >>> allowing a micro grid to operate with solar providing power to your > >>> house > >>> loads (during daylight hours) and charge Powerwall as needed. During > >>> the > >>> day with the loads being met by your PV system and Powerwall being at > >>> or > >>> near full state of charge (97-100 percent), Powerwall will shift the > >>> frequency from 60 to 66 Hz in order to turn off the PV inverter(s). > >>> That > >>> is, the PV inverter(s) see the frequency out of spec and shut down as > >>> they’re expected and required to do. Why? Because with Powerwall at > >>> or > >>> near full and the house loads being met, there’s nowhere for any > >>> additional > >>> solar generation to go. Powerwall will wait for its the state of > >>> charge to > >>> drop below 96-97 percent before shifting the frequency back to 60 Hz > >>> which > >>> allows the PV system to restart and generate solar power again. This > >>> frequency shifting can take place repeatedly over the course of the day > >>> depending on load demands, solar potential and Powerwall state of > >>> charge > >>> and is perfectly normal and does not damage the PV inverters.* > >>> > >>> *· **66 Hz and home appliances: when Powerwall is at 66 Hz, > >>> some > >>> of your house loads may be affected. What I and other Powerwall owners > >>> have noticed, while not a comprehensive list, can include: electronic > >>> clocks running fast, motors sounding different (microwave, washing > >>> machine, > >>> pumps), uninterruptible power sources (UPS) not charging and going into > >>> back-up power mode, appliances having a computer behaving unusually.* > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > >>> > >>> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > >>> > >>> Change listserver email address & settings: > >>> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > >>> > >>> List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re > >>> -wrenc...@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > >>> > >>> List rules & etiquette: > >>> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > >>> > >>> Check out or update participant bios: > >>> www.members.re-wrenches.org > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > >> > >> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > >> > >> Change listserver email address & settings: > >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > >> > >> List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches > . > >> org/maillist.html > >> > >> List rules & etiquette: > >> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > >> > >> Check out or update participant bios: > >> www.members.re-wrenches.org > >> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > > > Change listserver email address & settings: > > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > > > List-Archive: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches. > org/maillist.html > > > > List rules & etiquette: > > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > > > Check out or update participant bios: > > www.members.re-wrenches.org > > > > > > > Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar > "we go where powerlines don't" > http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ > e-mail offgridso...@sti.net > text 209 813 0060 > > _______________________________________________ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches. > org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > >
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