Agree Larry and thanks for the update. Have you placed a Lifeblue order? They all are pretty pricey, even the LG resu10 is about 4,800 at this time. I do like the idea of easily adding on another string of Lifeblue at a later time. --Dave
> Hi Dave, > > I looked at them a couple years ago and tried to find out who makes their > cells, no luck. Compare with LiFeBlue, for $100 more retail you get a > Bluetooth battery monitor in each battery that communicates with the > internal BMS and a 10 year Warrantee. I would like to stress how important > the Bluetooth is. If Battle Born or any other in similar battery shuts > off, how will you or your customer know why this happened or what to do > about it? LiFeBlue will display the fault on the System Info page of the > App. (see attachment) > > LiFeBlue has dealer pricing, not sure if Battle Born does. > > Larry Crutcher > Starlight Solar Power Systems > > > > On Aug 10, 2017, at 9:41 AM, Glenn Burt <glenn.b...@glbcc.com> wrote: > > Has anyone experience with Battle Born lithium batteries? Their price > point is better than others we have looked at. > From: Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <mailto:offgridso...@sti.net> > Sent: â8/â7/â2017 14:39 > To: RE-wrenches <mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] SimpliPhi Power PHI3.4 Smart -Tech Batteries > and LifeBlue > > Chris, > > I am impressed with a first look at Lifeblue. They seem much easier to > integrate that Simpliphi with their larger capacity and Soc data out > wireless!!! To me this is a huge feature for my clients and myself. > > On first look I will say I have been testing the LG RESU10 since last > year. To me they are the benchmark for a couple reasons. LG Chem is a 20 > billion dollar company with (unlike Tesla) over 20 years of profitability. > So I feel they will be there. > > The second is how the BMS calculates and continuously calibrates the Soc. > This is very different to me than any battery monitor I have used. This > becomes apparent when one goes for a week or more without getting to 100% > Soc. The LG is extremely accurate. The protection on the LG is as good as > I can think of with contactor, overcurrent protection from both a > breaker/Disco and a class T fuse. I have tested them in a DC input short > (failed DC Inverter input). It works! > > So, at this time I would say the Lifeblue needs to prove itself and I > would be happy to keep an eye on all the early adapters :) > > Schneider did release the Bridge for LG Chem BTW, and Outback has delayed > the Skybox until 2018 which is being tested with LG Chem also. > > Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar > "we go where powerlines don't" > http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ > e-mail offgridso...@sti.net > text 209 813 0060 > >> Have you tried them, are they reliable? >> >> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Starlight Solar Power Systems < >> la...@starlightsolar.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Jay and Dave, >>> >>> LiFeBlue battery has a wireless Bluetooth monitor that is connected to >>> the >>> BMS in each battery. SoC, current, cycle life, voltage, health, battery >>> faults and more is provided on the free IOS or Android App. Up to 62kWh >>> at >>> 48 volts available today. >>> >>> http://www.lifebluebattery.com/the-smartest-lithium-battery/index.html >>> >>> Larry >>> >>> >>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Jay <jay.pe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Yes true. I haven't found the perfect off grid lithium battery. But >>> until >>> the prices come down, I become a better sales person, or I get rich >>> clients >>> not a big problem for me. >>> You will have to use external % meter, but been doing that for long >>> time. >>> >>> Sure good comm would be better, however one of the questions no one >>> seems >>> to have an answer for is energy consumption for the BMS, any BMS. >>> >>> On a different note, how does the LG or PW deal with dark start? If it >>> shuts down due to low voltage, how do you get it started again? >>> >>> Jay >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > On Aug 4, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar < >>> offgridso...@sti.net> wrote: >>> > >>> > Jay, >>> > >>> > Without battery BMS data for Soc how does one know? I assume you need >>> an >>> > external shunt and an energy monitor? Any guidance from the >>> manufacturer? >>> > >>> > One of the nice things about the LG resu 10 is the data is all there >>> and >>> > it stays very accurate even on a week with never finishing charge to >>> > 100%. >>> > >>> > >>> > Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar >>> > "we go where powerlines don't" >>> > http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ >>> > e-mail offgridso...@sti.net >>> > text 209 813 0060 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >>> >>> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >>> >>> Change listserver email address & settings: >>> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >>> >>> List-Archive: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches. >>> org/maillist.html >>> >>> List rules & etiquette: >>> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >>> >>> Check out or update participant bios: >>> www.members.re-wrenches.org >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Mason >> NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer⢠>> Solar Design Engineer >> Generac Generators Industrial technician >> >> www.cometsolar.com <http://www.cometenergysystems.com> >> 264.235.5670 >> 869.662.5670 >> Skype: netconcepts >> _______________________________________________ >> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >> >> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >> >> Change listserver email address & settings: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> List-Archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html >> >> List rules & etiquette: >> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >> >> Check out or update participant bios: >> www.members.re-wrenches.org >> >> > > > Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar > "we go where powerlines don't" > http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ > e-mail offgridso...@sti.net > text 209 813 0060 > > _______________________________________________ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > > _______________________________________________ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > > > _______________________________________________ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > > Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar "we go where powerlines don't" http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ e-mail offgridso...@sti.net text 209 813 0060 _______________________________________________ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org