Hugh,

        We've done a similar scenario around here the last several years, even 
charging an electric car.  However, there is certainly more to the story than 
an added inverter, eh? I've also added PVs (lots for the car) from the days of 
heavy propane use. And I know that some of the incentive to reduce the use of 
propane and add electric appliances is that occasionally we'll have a great 
hydro year ("Omigosh the batteries are boiling, there's 4KW coming in from PV 
and 600 watts at the hydro...buy that convection oven...do some electric space 
heating!!)

        For us the dance has been to have both available so, rather than run 
the genny, use a little propane to cook or whatever.

        A halogen oven?  uh, oh I guess I'm still living under a rock.  Help me 
with that one.

Bill
Taylorsville
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Hugh Piggott 
  To: RE-wrenches 
  Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 7:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] New washers and dishwashers on inverter power -any 
problems?


  We have a pair of VFX inverters and we run an LG dishwasher which is great - 
quiet direct drive -  uses about 0.7kWh for a wash (and about 0.2 per 24 hours 
sitting there looking inert :-()  It worked fine before the second inverter was 
added actually.  As did the induction hob and the halogen oven.  Both great 
ways to save on propane gas consumption.  In fact we hardly use gas any more.  
We just bought a 3kW electric oven, and so long as the wind is blowing that's 
available too.


  It seems to me that using propane to avoid using renewable energy is backward 
thinking these days.  LPG is the last resort for us.


  Hugh



  On 4 Dec 2014, at 01:14, Dave wrote:


    I'm looking at Bosch # 16083 ($ 765) dishwasher - any problems running this 
on OutBack inverter power?

    and also a Samsung, or LG, front load clothes washer. I'm a little gun shy 
with these fancy machines because of all of their electronic controls as I have 
memories of the Maytag Neptunes several years ago being a horror show on 
inverter power.

    Thanks for your input,
    Dave Palumbo

    From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On 
Behalf Of Dan Fink
    Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 8:21 PM
    To: RE-wrenches
    Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Appliances for off-grid home

    Hi Dave;

    The last couple times I speced dishwashers for off-grid clients, I ended up 
doing it right from EnergyGuide ratings. No longer have to order expensive 
stuff from Europe or Australia, some USA-made models are right in there.

    Battery spark ignition propane ranges are still very limited -- 
Premier/Peerless is OK, so is Summit Appliance, but with Summit  customer 
service and spare part availability are dismal. Unique OffGrid (Canada) looks 
really nice, but I'm waiting for someone else to try them before I recommend 
them. I may guinea pig myself on Unique. Everything else I've tried has been 
just plain awful....oven thermostats that need replacing every couple years, 
leaky valves, etc. They are cheap and intended for cheap apartment landlords 
who buy them 30 at a time.
    I require sealed burners, and a solid burner great is awesome.

    If your client doesn't need an oven, there are plenty of fancy expensive 
drop-in cooktops at the high-end foodie kitchen stores, but all the wall ovens 
I've found there have a glowbar. 

    Finally, there's marine galley stoves and ovens. But very pricey, and tiny 
ovens. You're paying for gimballed mounts that you only need on a boat.

    Best of luck.....


    Dan Fink
    Buckville Energy
    IREC Certified Instructor™ for: 
    ~ PV Installation Professional
    ~ Small Wind Installer
    NABCEP / IREC / ISPQ Accredited Continuing Education Providers™
    970.672.4342

     

    On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Dave <d...@independentpowerllc.com> wrote:
    I'm looking for a recommendation for an efficient dishwasher to be powered 
by an OutBack inverter.

    Also, I need to buy another LP gas range for off-grid use. I have been 
using the Peerless-Premier line because they could be ordered without the 
electric glow bar in the oven. Are they any more choices these days in LP 
ranges?

    Thanks,
    Dave

    David Palumbo
    Independent Power LLC
    462 Solar Way Drive
    Hyde Park, VT 05655
    802-888-7194


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