What am I missing here? In the 2014 NEC, 705.21 seems to indicate that every inverter needs to have its own AC disconnect. Most inverters only have integrated DC disconnects (SMA, Power One, Fronius) as I recall. Or has this been interpreted to only apply to the DC side of the system?
Since NYS is still on the 2008 NEC, and the handbook has a note in 690.64B)1: The outputs of utility-interactive inverters may not be connected directly in parallel without first being connected to the required dedicated circuit breaker or fusible disconnecting means. Further, I believe it can be interpreted that each inverter source circuit connection “shall be made at a dedicated circuit breaker or fusible disconnecting means” as directly quoted from 690.64(B)1. I see a dedicated OCPD being required for each inverter output, unless the manufacturer has installation instructions which have been approved by UL indicating that more than one can be paralleled and retain its listing (ala microinverters). -Glenn From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Corey Shalanski Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 2:38 PM To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Combining Multiple Inverters Thank you to all who responded to this thread - particularly Jason/Dave/Jay for pointing out the maximum OCPD requirements. Getting back to my original question.. I would like to use Dave's "extremely small subset" example of two SB5s operating at 277V. In this case, if we were to parallel the output of each inverter onto a 50A OCPD (#6 wire), could we downsize the wire to #10 from the split going back to each individual inverter? or would we be better served (required?) to run #6 all the way back to each unit? Since we are dealing with current-limited devices I would tend to think we can downsize but wanted to get Wrenches' feedback on this. -- Corey Shalanski Joule Energy New Orleans, LA <https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=aY3NoYWxhbnNraUBqb3VsZS1lbmVyZ3kuY29t&type=zerocontent&guid=4bec5788-9903-4ff4-8f92-031ee1997a9c> ᐧ On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:41 PM, <re-wrenches-requ...@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: Message: 5 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 11:32:02 -0400 From: Dave Click <davecl...@fsec.ucf.edu> To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Combining Multiple Inverters Message-ID: <53ad8e72.4080...@fsec.ucf.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is an interesting conversation, but I'm not sure it's going to really impact anything. When an inverter is listed, it is tested with some "maximum output overcurrent protection" as part of its rating per UL 1741. Typically inverter manufacturers set this to be just above the inverter's max current + 25%. As you know, many inverters can work at more than one voltage, so for the SB5s their max current ratings at 277/240/208V are 18/20.8/24A, respectively. The max overcurrent protection is 50A. This figure often appears in the manual but not in the data sheet. For SMA, it's in the manuals. For some manufacturers, it's only available from tech support. For the Sunny Boy line, the only way you could have more than one inverter on a shared OCPD is if you have two SB5s operating at 277V (18.1A rated current each, so 2x18.1x1.25 < 50A). The SB6, SB7, and SB8 all have currents too high to make this work, as they share the 50A max OCPD. The SB3/3.8/4 have a max OCPD of 30A, which is too low to double-up since each SB3 requires an OCPD of at least 20A. The TLs don't work either, as the max for any unit is too low. I don't see it in the SMA manual, but I know that in other manuals I've seen a manufacturer requirement for a dedicated OCPD. The only inverters I know of that have a max OCPD rating far beyond their rated current are micro-inverters. As for the shared disconnect, since at least the 2005, 690.15 has noted, "A single disconnecting means in accordance with 690.17 shall be permitted for the combined ac output of one or more inverters or ac modules in an interactive system." That being said, the NEC requires ac modules and micro-inverters to have ac disconnects (connectors, typically) per 690.6 and 690.15(A). 690.15 notes that an inverter be able to be disconnected from all sources, but if doubling up these SB5s you could argue that this shared disconnect accomplishes that via the anti-islanding protection... so I agree now that this is a grey area. Anyway, it comes down to whether it's worth worrying about this for what is an extremely small subset of compatible inverter configurations, when you can just do something like install a $50 Eaton BR24L70RP (70A bus, 240V, 4 spaces) with two 30A breakers and be on your way. DKC
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