Both cases started with new batteries: Trojan L16s. One was a 24 v system that 
tapped for 12 v lighting, the other was a 48 v system that charged with a 24 v 
Bergey added later. The problem seems to come up when you have more than one 
parallel string. I could see the Vanner working on a single string. The 
imbalance showed up just barely at first, and got much worse with time. In the 
end, the L16s died in less than 5 years, and never provided their full rated 
amp hours even the first year.
DC to DC converters from Solar Converters, Inc. seem to work pretty well, but I 
always under load them (maybe 5 to 10 amp load on a 20 amp rated unit)
THese days I just go all AC and avoid multiple DC voltages in the first place. 
There is almost always another solution.
A fair bit of our rewire work these days involves converting DC circuits 
(lighting, etc.) to AC under the K.I.S.S. principle.

R. Walters
r...@solarray.com
Solar Engineer




On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:10 PM, boB Gudgel wrote:

> On 9/3/2011 7:57 PM, Darryl Thayer wrote:
>> 
>> I have had one experiance with equalizers, the batteries be came very 
>> unequal.  (over time of course)
>> 
>> From: R Ray Walters <r...@solarray.com>
>> To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 5:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] unique battery bank design question
>> 
>> Systems I tried years ago with Vanner equalizers, still ended up being 
>> unequal. I pulled them all years ago. It seems to be about as much a problem 
>> as not balancing your battery cables so each battery string has the same 
>> wire resistance,
>> I know that you couldn't imagine a few amps on 12" of 2/0 making a 
>> difference, but after 5 years the battery damage is very consistent and 
>> identifiable.
>> The only load I would consider tapping would be metering, or maybe a low 
>> milliamp relay. I wouldn't go over 100 mA, and even then I bet you would see 
>> some long term imbalance. I've seen imbalances due  to some batteries just 
>> being closer to a cold outside wall.
>> 
>> R. Walters
>> r...@solarray.com
>> Solar Engineer
> 
> 
> Has anyone that has used battery balancers checked the individual battery 
> voltages or SG during charge and/or discharge to
> see how well the balancers worked ??
> 
> Could it be that the batteries themselves were just not quite the same age at 
> the start ??
> 
> I would think that a decent balancer system that makes things share should 
> work pretty well.  Maybe the balancer
> itself does a bit of unbalaced charge/discharge ?
> 
> boB
> 
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