I am talking with a customer who wants to do a standalone system using an Endurance wind machine, solar, and genset. I have no experience with Endurance other than to know it is a good machine. Talking with Magnum today they informed me that the MS 4XXX PAE inverter, combined with the ARC remote control, and BMK battery monitoring kit can do enhanced SOC control. Has anyone compared this with the Outback as I have not used the PAE inverter yet, only the AE inverter? Darryl
--- On Wed, 7/21/10, Darryl Thayer <daryl_so...@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Darryl Thayer <daryl_so...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] RETURN AMP SETTING To: "RE-wrenches" <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 9:35 PM That is a good question, I have not an answer, but of course it should be based on the amp hour of the battery bank, absorb charging voltage, and of course the charging source in the case of generators. Following Ron's advise start at C/5 for SOC less than 50% then C/10 till about 70% SOC and then C/15 till 80% then C/20 to 90 %. the problem we have no way to set these values, Perhaps Ron could give is a routine? The closet to SOC charging is the Outback and then the Magnum but both miss the goal. --- On Wed, 7/21/10, Dana <d...@solarwork.com> wrote: From: Dana <d...@solarwork.com> Subject: [RE-wrenches] RETURN AMP SETTING To: "'RE-wrenches'" <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 5:54 PM As the % of full charge is related to the of degree absorption & gravity [the denser & more charged acid descending, and lighter acid rising] @ what point in the absorption would be prudent to stop charging? I used to cut off the charge on the Trace SW series at 12 “return amps”, VS. the factory default I think was at 5 amps. This has & continues to work well but I never had anyone really answer this function clearly. Is there a battery manufacturer or wrench that would care to comment on the: The minimum “Return” amps to disconnect for a “full” charge? OR The time required per 100 AHR after reaching the Absorption point setting for the mix to occur? I realize that battery construction, battery condition, age and temperature and the current power usage will also play into this factor and it may not be a simple answer. Dana Orzel Great Solar Works, Inc E - d...@solarwork.com V - 970.626.5253 F - 970.626.4140 C - 970.209.4076 web - www.solarwork.com Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988" From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Mark Frye Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 4:25 PM To: al...@positiveenergysolar.com; 'RE-wrenches' Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Propane Generator, Dual Outback Inverters Allen, Can I infer that if you are shutting off the gen before charge rates drop in absorption that you are running only briefly in the absorb phase? Or do your charge currents remain high through out an extended absortion phase? Perhaps you have plenty of PV which you rely upon to bring the batteries up through the absorption phase, once the gen is shut off. I would be interest to learn more about your approach to this. Thanks, Mark Frye Berkeley Solar Electric Systems 303 Redbud Way Nevada City, CA 95959 (530) 401-8024 www.berkeleysolar.com From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Allan Sindelar Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 3:17 PM To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Propane Generator, Dual Outback Inverters The Onan RS20000 shown in the generators article in HP 131 page 98 has performed flawlessly as backup support to an Outback quad-stack of VFX3648s. Differences, however, are that this 20kW gennie charges four inverters, rather than two; the elevation is 6,600 feet for about a 20% output deration; there are no huge loads above charging draw; and the client is aware enough to shut it off before absorption reduces the charge rate - all different conditions than you have described, as the gennie is usually fully loaded and running in balance. Darryl is right about the amount of words necessary. Allan Sindelar al...@positiveenergysolar.com NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer EE98J Journeyman Electrician Positive Energy, Inc. 3201 Calle Marie Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507 505 424-1112 www.positiveenergysolar.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3008 - Release Date: 07/21/10 00:36:00 -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
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