Hi Nick,

The usual answer is this is  a bad idea for the generator.
The only exceptions  I know of are if the solar is a small percentage of the 
generator size, then its "probably" OK on the generator.


jay 
peltz power



On Feb 15, 2010, at 7:27 AM, Nick Soleil wrote:

> I have a couple of projects  coming up, which will require additional work to 
> prevent connecting to a Generac Guardian's ATS panels.  Do the same concerns 
> still exist regarding back-feeding an inverter to a generator panel?  Can the 
> inverter damage the generator?  I know this was the cases, at least 
> theoretically.  Should I continue to be concerned?
>  
> Nick Soleil
> Project Manager
> Advanced Alternative Energy Solutions, LLC
> PO Box 657
> Petaluma, CA 94953
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> 
> From: Darryl Thayer <daryl_so...@yahoo.com>
> To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>
> Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 5:51:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] anti islanding?
> 
> Hi August
> I felt I was a little to cryptic in my answer, so here is a longer answer.
> 
> 
> The inverter always tries to increase the frequency if it is connected to a 
> grid, it could never speed up all those billions of tons of rotating 
> equipment, so the frequency stays the same.  If two inverters see themselves 
> they will both try to increase the frequency, they will succeed and if the 
> frequency is greater than the 60.5 HZ the inverter shuts off.  If there is a 
> load that can stabilize frequency such as a synchronous motor they will 
> either speed up the motor or they will not be able and the motor will slow 
> down.  Either way the frequency changes and the inverter shuts down for 
> frequency out of specification which is <60.5 or >59.3 else the inverter 
> shuts down.  
> 
> The inverter also looks at a voltage, and to sell power it wants to raise 
> voltage, necessary to put power into the grid.  Unless the load exactly 
> matches the inverter power the voltage will rise or fall if the load is to 
> large and it will fall out of voltage specification shutting the inverter 
> down.  
> 
> One Last feature, the inverter is voltage commutated, and it looks for 
> voltage to add its power to. if you had purely a resistive load, both 
> inverters would wait for the voltage from the other inverter, and nothing 
> would get done.    
> 
> 
> 
> Think of it this way, for the system to last for 10 seconds, the speed of 
> this strange device (synchronus motor) cannot change speed more than 0.5% per 
> 10 second and it would coast for 30 minutes before stopping, and this motor 
> would have to be doing no work. 
> 
> --- On Sat, 2/13/10, August Goers <aug...@luminalt.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: August Goers <aug...@luminalt.com>
> > Subject: [RE-wrenches]  anti islanding?
> > To: "RE-wrenches" <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>
> > Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 10:29 AM
> > Hi Wrenches,
> > 
> > Does anyone know where I can go to read about general
> > information on how grid tied inver anti islanding works? I'd
> > like to be able to describe this in better detail to our
> > tech-savvy clients. 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > August
> > 
> > 
> > August Goers
> > 
> > Luminalt Energy Corporation
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> > M: 415.559.1525
> > F: 650.244.9167
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