I have a couple of projects  coming up, which will require additional work to 
prevent connecting to a Generac Guardian's ATS panels.  Do the same concerns 
still exist regarding back-feeding an inverter to a generator panel?  Can the 
inverter damage the generator?  I know this was the cases, at least 
theoretically.  Should I continue to be concerned?

 Nick Soleil
Project Manager
Advanced Alternative Energy Solutions, LLC
PO Box 657
Petaluma, CA 94953
Cell:   707-321-2937
Office: 707-789-9537
Fax:    707-769-9037




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From: Darryl Thayer <daryl_so...@yahoo.com>
To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>
Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 5:51:33 PM
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] anti islanding?

Hi August
I felt I was a little to cryptic in my answer, so here is a longer answer.


The inverter always tries to increase the frequency if it is connected to a 
grid, it could never speed up all those billions of tons of rotating equipment, 
so the frequency stays the same.  If two inverters see themselves they will 
both try to increase the frequency, they will succeed and if the frequency is 
greater than the 60.5 HZ the inverter shuts off.  If there is a load that can 
stabilize frequency such as a synchronous motor they will either speed up the 
motor or they will not be able and the motor will slow down.  Either way the 
frequency changes and the inverter shuts down for frequency out of 
specification which is <60.5 or >59.3 else the inverter shuts down.  

The inverter also looks at a voltage, and to sell power it wants to raise 
voltage, necessary to put power into the grid.  Unless the load exactly matches 
the inverter power the voltage will rise or fall if the load is to large and it 
will fall out of voltage specification shutting the inverter down.  

One Last feature, the inverter is voltage commutated, and it looks for voltage 
to add its power to. if you had purely a resistive load, both inverters would 
wait for the voltage from the other inverter, and nothing would get done.    



Think of it this way, for the system to last for 10 seconds, the speed of this 
strange device (synchronus motor) cannot change speed more than 0.5% per 10 
second and it would coast for 30 minutes before stopping, and this motor would 
have to be doing no work. 

--- On Sat, 2/13/10, August Goers <aug...@luminalt.com> wrote:

> From: August Goers <aug...@luminalt.com>
> Subject: [RE-wrenches]  anti islanding?
> To: "RE-wrenches" <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>
> Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 10:29 AM
> Hi Wrenches,
> 
> Does anyone know where I can go to read about general
> information on how grid tied inver anti islanding works? I'd
> like to be able to describe this in better detail to our
> tech-savvy clients. 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> August
> 
> 
> August Goers
> 
> Luminalt Energy Corporation
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> M: 415.559.1525
> F: 650.244.9167
> www.luminalt.com
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