I agree that brazing a tiny tab onto an existing dropout sounds a little sketchy, but.....
How about low-slung hourglass braze ons? I seem to remember seeing photos of a large Bombadil that had those. Since a "normal" rear rack wasn't tall enough to wrap around a 700x60 tire with a fender, they put a pair of hourglass braze ons a couple inches above the dropout on the seatstay. Would Waterford do that for you? On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 2:52:18 PM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote: > > FYI, a Waterford paint job is > $650 in season (now til Jul 31) > $525 out of season (Aug 1 - on) > > Plus $60 per mask line. So, $120 per panel or headtube. > > Not a bad price for a high-quality Imron paint job. Includes chemical > stripping. > > Braze-ons are $50 a pair. BUT, Waterford doesn't recommend adding > braze-ons to dropouts. They claim they always fail over time. So they'll > do them, but with no warranty. > > They recommend changing the dropouts. BUT dropouts of proper geometry for > my frame don't exist anymore. :( > > > So, I suppose I'll probably just touch up the existing paint for now, and > figure out some sturdy clamps to add racks. I've had good luck with the > Nitto clamps on my M-18 rack, maybe I'll get a set of those from Riv. > > Cheers, > Tim > > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Tim Gavin > <tim....@littlevillagemag.com<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> I thought about the Resurrectio badges. They wouldn't be my first >> choice. My first choice would be for "Schwinn" to be hand written by Mr >> Richard Schwinn on the downtube. ;) >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Bill Lindsay <tape...@gmail.com<javascript:> >> > wrote: >> >>> Resurrectio? >>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/m11.htm >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 12:18:05 PM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote: >>> >>>> I just pestered Waterford with a request for a braze-on/repaint >>>> estimate. I asked them to quote a single color paint, and to quote me the >>>> "full Rivendell" treatment. :) >>>> >>>> Full reflective would be cool at night. I've always been attracted to >>>> full chrome bikes too. >>>> >>>> Speaking of cool colors, maybe I should get it painted chameleon and >>>> mount speedblend tires. That would be a "full old-skool Rivendell" >>>> treatment. :D >>>> >>>> I wonder how a Hunqacolor scheme would look with the orange or kidney >>>> bean red accents over a dark green color instead of the rich gray. >>>> >>>> I wonder what decals I could use after a repaint. Probably none, just >>>> the Schwinn Chicago headbadge. I don't think Waterford currently has the >>>> rights to use any Schwinn decals (outside their new Schwinn Paramount >>>> project). >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Bill Lindsay <tape...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> It looks so cool! U-S-A! U-S-A! >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, if I get braze ons on mine I'll probably just get it powder >>>>> coated. The top-secret ambition I have it to get a bike powdercoated >>>>> with >>>>> retroreflective powder. So your whole bike is the reflector. I already >>>>> have a velocity wheelset that has reflective powder, but a whole frame >>>>> would be really cool. It's a boring gunmetal grey in the daylight, >>>>> though. >>>>> :( >>>>> >>>>> I'm with you on the orange/grey Hunqacolor. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 11:48:44 AM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> No prob. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, mine is red/white/blue, with huge SCHWINN lettering on each >>>>>> seatstay, fork leg, and seat tube. (MUSA Wald front basket, too. >>>>>> Reviewed >>>>>> in an old Riv Reader) I've since added a black B17 and Acorn large >>>>>> saddlebag (black). >>>>>> >>>>>> They resurrected that color scheme on the 91 Series 90 PDG MTB. A >>>>>> tri-color harlequin wrap would look phenomenal. On yours, I think a >>>>>> black/white harlequin would look awesome, and like a checkered flag. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Captain America" is a cool--and obnoxious--color scheme; I like it. >>>>>> However, it's badly scratched from sharp metal garage hooks. And, I >>>>>> want >>>>>> to have rack eyelets brazed on. >>>>>> >>>>>> So I should either: >>>>>> A) touch up the paint to cover up the brazing and the scratches. >>>>>> wish me luck on color matching >>>>>> B) have it fully stripped and repainted. but what color? >>>>>> >>>>>> I've thought about sending it to Waterford for the brazing and >>>>>> painting. I think it would be cool to send it back to Richard Schwinn, >>>>>> since this bike was a special project from his Greenville plant. Of >>>>>> course, that would probably cost 5-10 purchase prices. (Anyone know what >>>>>> a >>>>>> Waterford restoration costs?) >>>>>> >>>>>> If I got it painted at Waterford, I'd probably get it done in some >>>>>> Hunqapillar-esque colorway. The kidney bean/gray and orange/gray ones >>>>>> are >>>>>> gorgeous, but so are the current green ones. >>>>>> >>>>>> Besides, all my other bikes are red, white, blue, or a combination >>>>>> thereof (red Riv, red Cannondale, blue/white Giordana, blue Schwinn >>>>>> 3-spd). >>>>>> I need some color variety in the stable. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course, I could also add that variety with a Hunq or Bombadil. :D >>>>>> >>>>>> Tim >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Bill Lindsay <tape...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, I took your comment as tongue in cheek. The fact that WALD >>>>>>> stuff is awesome, cheap and MUSA is worth celebrating and I'm glad you >>>>>>> reminded me of that fact. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was mainly taking the opportunity to get out what I think is an >>>>>>> amusing anecdote of the customer who doesn't want to spend $100 to fix >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> $20 bike. I think it's an amusing story. My intent was not to say >>>>>>> "Tim is >>>>>>> just as bad as these cheapskates". I know you probably spend more than >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> should. Haha! I was also just trying to encourage you to Bullmoosify >>>>>>> your >>>>>>> KOM because it would look great. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is your's red white and blue? Maybe a Tri-Color Harlequin wrap >>>>>>> would be in order! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 11:11:30 AM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I suppose I was trying to be tongue-in-cheek, Bill. I've spent >>>>>>>> more on my Riv than I paid for it (I did get a great deal), and I've >>>>>>>> already invested more than I paid on the Schwinn. Tires, cables, and >>>>>>>> chain >>>>>>>> went above $70 right away. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> However, I do use the price and/or worth (not the same thing) as a >>>>>>>> guide for investment. I'm willing to try $10 handlebars on a $70 >>>>>>>> bike, to >>>>>>>> see if I'll like it. Now that I love the bike, I'm willing to spend >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> to upgrade it. For my Riv, I tend to wait and buy the best instead of >>>>>>>> trying the cheapo. The cheapo Wald bars on the Schwinn have been >>>>>>>> quite >>>>>>>> nice, though. And MUSA! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agree about re-using quality accessories; my bags and racks are >>>>>>>> still deciding which bike to settle upon. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I really enjoyed your build pics on your Windsor project, >>>>>>>> especially the detail painting! My girlfriend is thinking about diy >>>>>>>> lug >>>>>>>> lining her San Marcos, and I showed her your gallery for ideas. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I also appreciated the Windsor build-up because I had just finished >>>>>>>> a similar project myself. I rebuilt my girlfriend's father's '84 >>>>>>>> Raleigh >>>>>>>> Marathon for him this xmas. As a 501 main triangle/hi-ten stay frame, >>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>> not particularly worthy. But it's his, and he'd rather sink $600 into >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> quality steel frame (that is otherwise taking up space) than buy a new >>>>>>>> bike >>>>>>>> for that money. Last time, he spent $600 on a Specialized hybrid that >>>>>>>> he >>>>>>>> hasn't really enjoyed riding, and doesn't shift properly. ($600 got >>>>>>>> him >>>>>>>> new brakes, wheels, chain, cassette, bar tape, tires, cables/housing, >>>>>>>> fenders, and used derailers, seat post, Brooks, and barcons). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Timbuk Tires do look nice. Anyone interested in the original >>>>>>>> Project KOM tires off my Schwinn? They're actually in ok shape, >>>>>>>> although >>>>>>>> the rubber is cracking along the bead. They show how much that bike >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>> actually ridden since '88--not much! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>> <tape...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, my Paramountain is red and does have a chainstay mounted rear >>>>>>>>> brake. It has a single eyelet at the rear dropout, so I imagine I >>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>> run a rear rack. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have to confess I've never understood the rationale "I can't buy >>>>>>>>> a $155 bar/stem for this bike because I spent so little on the bike". >>>>>>>>> When >>>>>>>>> I worked at the bike shop and a customer came in with a really nasty >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> abused bike, it came up all the time. The customer wanted to get the >>>>>>>>> bike >>>>>>>>> rideable, and it needs tires, tubes, all new cables, brake pads and a >>>>>>>>> chain. Let's say it adds up to $100 parts and labor. The customer >>>>>>>>> often >>>>>>>>> would say "A hundred bucks! But the whole bike was only twenty!" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anyway I do understand not wanting to invest in a bike that you >>>>>>>>> know you don't like much and will be getting rid of soon. But if you >>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>> the bike, and if a Bosco Bullmoose would really make you happy, why >>>>>>>>> worry >>>>>>>>> about the bike having been cheap? Take my Windsor project. The bike >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> $139 new, free to me, and I put about $500 into it. If I tried to >>>>>>>>> turn >>>>>>>>> around and sell it now, I'd probably get like $200 for it. But if I >>>>>>>>> wanted >>>>>>>>> to part it back out, I could get a lot of my $500 back. For me, the >>>>>>>>> Bosco >>>>>>>>> Bullmoose is worth trying and will retain its value. I'll either >>>>>>>>> hold onto >>>>>>>>> it for other builds, or if I hate it I'll sell it to the group for >>>>>>>>> 65% of >>>>>>>>> what I paid for it, and it will be like I rented it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Trail cruiser sounds like a good name for it. I'm going to check >>>>>>>>> out the Timbuk II reproductions from the guys at First Flight. Great >>>>>>>>> story >>>>>>>>> if you haven't seen it: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.firstflightbikes.com/timbuktire.htm >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 6:23:43 AM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nice pickup, Bill. Is yours the red with gold decals? Chainstay >>>>>>>>>> rear brake? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have its younger brother, an '88 Schwinn Project KOM-10. Mine >>>>>>>>>> has a chainstay U-brake, though. I'm using it as a town/winter >>>>>>>>>> bike, >>>>>>>>>> currently with Nokian W160s under P65 fenders. The chainstay brake >>>>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>>> make for easy rear fender mounting (silver lining). I wish mine had >>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>> rack braze-ons, though. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'd love to try a Bosco Bullmoose on mine, but that would cost >>>>>>>>>> more than twice what I spent on the bike! I'm making do with a $10 >>>>>>>>>> Wald >>>>>>>>>> cruiser bar and $5 rubber grips. Those griprings look fun! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What's your plan for this bike? Trail cruiser? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>> <tape...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I acquired a 1986 Schwinn Paramountain (Ned Overend signature >>>>>>>>>>> edition) on the second-hand market. I'm setting it up with a Bosco >>>>>>>>>>> Bullmoose. It's got front and rear suntour rollercam brakes. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The Bosco Bullmoose bars arrived this morning. I felt a little >>>>>>>>>>> bad because there is really no good way to origami a small box for >>>>>>>>>>> Bosco >>>>>>>>>>> Bullmooses. They are huge. I bought a few more small things to >>>>>>>>>>> help fill >>>>>>>>>>> up the space, but it was still mostly crumpled paper in there. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I might run a set of griprings: http://www.spurcycl >>>>>>>>>>> e.com/builder/demo_builder.html >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups. >>>>>>>>>>> com. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group >>>>>>>>>>> /rbw-owners-bunch. >>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group >>>>>>>>> /rbw-owners-bunch. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >>> . >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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