Grant has already said "good luck and best wishes" to VO publicly. The two companies seem to be aimed at slightly different market niches with, inevitably, some overlap.
I've looked at the VO site a few times but have never bought anything. There are a couple of small items I would be interested in but it always seems a bit silly to place a $10 order and pay as much again in shipping. I remember hassling VO a bit when they first started out for marketing their products on a Riv-related mailing list and they promptly stopped, as they did not wish to give offense. That got my respect even though my irritation and grumbling may have been out of line in the first place. After all, Rivendell is a business and they have to compete in the market with whomever enters it- if they can't then the business is not sustainable. Tim > On Jan 29, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Patrick Moore <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > > We've come to the point where Velo Orange is an enemy of Rivendell? That it > is derivative and knockoff? This is simply stupid. I wonder what Grant has to > say about this? > > Patrick "Sheesh!" Moore, who has been supporting Rivendell since 1994 but who > effing won't indulge in thoughtless cheerleading. > > >> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 12:43 PM, iamkeith <keithhar...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I agree completely, and might even take it a couple of steps further: >> >> Don't forget that many of those products that are available elsewhere were >> actually designed BY Rivendell, with a significant outlay of their time >> and/or other resources. It's not as if they even sell anything at >> unreasonably high prices but, even if they did, I think there's an >> obligation to patronize them ESPECIALLY for those products. It makes me >> uncomfortable to see MKS "lambda" pedals, Tektro bigmouth brakes, Silver >> shifters, Nitto Mark's Racks, etc., etc. sold on other websites at all - but >> especially for a "token" discount over Riv Prices. (And again, they're NOT >> always cheaper!!!) I'll probably get some flack for this, but the one that >> REALLY bugs me is Velo Orange. I mean I'm really glad that this particular >> market segment has grown large enough to support a cheaper derivative / >> knock-off company, but that's where it should end. Not everybody can afford >> the high quality components that Riv insists on selling, and it's great that >> there are options for people who want not-dumb bikes, and can't afford top >> quality. That's fair. Even if it means buying from China, since that's >> the other alternative anyway. But selling cheaper knock-off products is >> one thing, while also undercutting Riv by selling actual Riv-designed >> products, for a tiny bit less money, is kind of slimy. >> >> >>> On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:25:03 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: >>> Branching off comments in another thread - and no doubt generating much >>> unpopularity, but I'm a liberal who chats regularly with conservatives on >>> politics sites, so I'm ok with it - this topic has been an edgy one for me >>> for quite some time. There's much buying/selling that goes on here for Riv >>> and Riv-ish things - I do it, too - which is fine: If you have a bag or >>> stem lying around you're not using, might as well sell it, right? Right, >>> but when it comes to actively searching around for "a deal" on things >>> Rivendell sells, I get a little queasy about this being done on a Riv Forum >>> as opposed to Ebay or Craigslist. >>> >>> What concerns me is that we've developed a secondary market amongst each >>> other for things we can buy new from RBW, and if that market continues to >>> flourish at the expense of the folks who originally provided the products, >>> we're eventually going to find ourselves wondering what happened to those >>> nice folks in Walnut Creek. Of course I'm not saying we have to stop >>> selling things we don't need anymore, but I think we should be careful how >>> hard we push the 'search' part of this activity on a Riv-specific forum. A >>> while back I needed a DirtDrop stem, a headlight, and some reflectors. >>> Rivendell sells them. 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