I am fairly price sensative, and I bought a Sam Hillborn after considering  the 
Surly CC and LHT and many other options. For me, the decision came down to 
confidence in fitting. I needed to make a decision without the chance to test 
any of the bikes I was considering. Riv's abililty to give confident sizing 
advice based on one easily measured parameter, PBH, was worth the difference in 
price. At that time, Surly offered a vague chart of frame size by rider height, 
and I was in between a 56 and 58. I couldn't take the chance of putting $1xxx 
into something that might turn out not to fit. Riv's advice was confident, 
clear and right.

Besides that, the Sam was the only choice in my price range that had all the 
features on my list. 

I ended up buying a used frameset on this list and having it built by a shop in 
Maine which gave me incredibly reasonable prices on quite a fine build. Might 
not have been able to justify it otherwise.

Turns out the frameset was first built up by Jim Thill. I still have a Hiawatha 
Cyclery decal on the bike. 

We work hard for our money. If we are lucky enough to have a bit extra to spend 
on a good quality bikes that's something to be thankful for l. We try to make 
the decisons that are right for us, given the (changing) preferences and 
(incomplete) information we have at the time.

No way I'm spending $$ on a water bottle though. Riv sent me one for free with 
my last order. Actualy not even an order, a warrantee replacement of an 
inexpensive item which they shipped overseas, free, without me asking. That's 
worth something too. Quite a lot, actually.

Jay

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