I am not sure if I would be able to commit to a frame, but I do have some
general ideas and opinions.
I would basically keep the SO/QB the same in terms of general geo and
specs. At it's core it is a very good design and concept that is actually
pretty hard to find in the bike world.
Changes or things I would like to see:
1-foreward facing horizontal dropouts without a derailleur hanger.
-the reason for this is that it replicates the current dropouts on the
simple one/quickbeam allowing for easy gear changes, and allows for easy
fender setup/fenderlines and wheel removal. The rear facing horizontal
drops are cool in theory, but it was the main dealbreaker for me because it
made wheel removal and movement with fenders such a PITA. No derailleur
hanger, because it is unappealing aesthetically and concept wise, plus
these kind of bikes never shift that well unless the wheel is all the way
forward in the DO slot. BTW, I am speaking mainly of rear facing DO's with
hangers. Even horizontal DO's with hangers need the wheel as far forward
as possible for quick shifting.
2-More tire clearance with fenders.
-Maybe up to a 45mm with fenders and 10mm of clearance at stays and
fork blades with fenders on.
3-equaldistant bridges for easy and secure fender mounting. The seatstay
bridge should have a threaded boss facing the rear axle. Even bolting
plastic fenders makes them more secure than just using the slide clamp.
4-Canti/linear pull brake bosses.
-Keeping in line with the original QB and SO concept. Better tire,
fender, and mud clearances than the silver sidepulls. It also allows for
more variation and choice in specing the bike out. You are not locked into
just using the silver big mouth brakes. Same goes for centerpulls, limited
options.
5-brake cable stops at 11 o'clock, or 1 o'clock on the TT. This will make
shouldering the bike comfortable. You won't have the stops digging into
your shoulder, or you don't have to think about repositioning the bike when
carrying it on your shoulder. This can make the frame better for urban
use, plus dirt riding.
What I would like to not see.
1-No double TT's except on the bigger sizes (62cm plus).
A double TT doesn't really add anything structurally IMHO except on the
bigger frames (62cm+), and only when the frame is built using either
"standard diameter" tubing or very thin wall tubing. Unless one of the
main design concepts for the frame/fork is to be a single speed mtn touring
bike, or a "go fast" bike, then it wont be built using either of the afore
mentioned tubing styles, thus negating the need for the double TT.
Aesthetically a double TT just makes the frame look cluttered, my personal
opinion. I see the double TT to mainly be a marketing/brand identifier
now, one which I don't think Riv needs anyway, again my personal opinion.
2-No kickstand plate.
Again a personal preference. In my urban/suburban riding I have never
found the need for a kickstand. Leaning the bike on poles, meters, bike
parking, walls, fences, trees, bushes, etc. has always been sufficient.
When in my apartment, bikes are hung up or leaned against a wall. When
touring and riding in the wilderness I have not found kickstands to be a
benefit. More often than not the kickstand sinks into the ground
destabilizing the bike. Or the loads on the bike destabilize the bike
negating the kickstand.
3-No extra brazons
-single rear eyelets, rear seatstay eyelets, double fork tip, midfork, TT
cable stops. No shifter bosses or other extra cable stops or brazeons.
Though a design by committee approach can be a dangerous thing, it can also
be exciting. I look forward to hearing what others think, and ultimately
what Riv and Grant design and brings to light.
Gabe
On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 9:28:12 AM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike
> that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam
> and SimpleOne. The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant
> Petersen's comments in this thread -
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U - in
> which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the
> project.
>
> Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could come
> to pass. No promises, of course.
>
> Here are the guidelines for this thread:
> - State clearly what you would like to see.
> - Give a specific reason why.
>
> Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on encouraging
> creative thought:
> - No negative comments. If you think an idea is stupid, bite your tongue
> (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one.
> - No discussion about whether something would or would not work. Each
> idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain.
>
> This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion. If you have a Quickbeam
> or SimpleOne and really like a certain aspect of the frame design, or if
> you didn't buy one because of a specific issue, this is the place to talk
> about that. The goal is to recognize valued features and uncover hidden
> possibilities. All of which or none of which might be incorporated into
> the final design.
>
> For example -
> I have an orange series. It does not have seat stay threads for a rear
> rack. This has always bothered me as I have a Mark's Rack on my Hilsen and
> would love to be able to run a dual rack setup without resorting to
> P-Clamps. (This was corrected in the SimpleOne.)
>
> - or -
>
> Would it matter if it had a derailleur hanger? Would you want it optimized
> for upright bars? Would a kickstand plate be a dealbreaker? Would it
> absolutely have to be a 584/650B capable of accepting super wide tires? Or
> a 622/700C capabler of mounting your favorite "29er" mondo tire?
>
> OK?
>
> Thanks in advance and enjoy the ride!
>
> - Jim / cyclo...@gmail.com <javascript:>
>
>
>
>
>
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