On Oct 31, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Mike Schiller <mikeybi...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm with Garth, I prefer my Revelate seat bag to any of the Carradice 
> saddlebags. They are lighter, don't sway and are great for compressing your 
> gear.  Also. on rugged terrain, you are often pushing your bike, which can be 
> a hassle with rear panniers in the way. 
> 
> As a lifelong backpacker, I've accumulated a lot of ultralight camping gear 
> that fit's more easily in the smaller spaces of the frame bags while still 
> providing the camp comforts I desire.  While I don't drag along chairs  and 
> musical instruments I do bring along a small flask for campfire relaxing.
> 
> Plenty of bikepackers are not racers BTW, just out to enjoy the outdoors and 
> ride without monstrous loads.

Use your favorite search engine to check out Igor Kovse, a devotee of 
ultralight bike touring who has done things like ride through the Himalayas 
with less that a Carradice Nelson worth of gear. It's a different mindset- many 
of my friends take more stuff on an S24O than he did to ride across 100 French 
cols on his way to PBP or from Dushanbe to Delhi.  The Revelate would be more 
than spacious enough for Igor, I suspect.  IIRC he managed one tour with less 
than 10 kg worth of gear including the bike (none of my bikes weigh less than 
10 kg by themselves,  I think).  He is comfortable with things I would not be.

Ultimately you need to have the bags to haul what you think you need to haul.  
I did 10 days in the Alps plus a few days in Paris with my bike and what I 
could fit in a Carradice Nelson.  It's not hard to not carry too much stuff- 
but someone else's too much stuff is likely different than mine. That's OK.  

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