I'm with Garth, I prefer my Revelate seat bag to any of the Carradice 
saddlebags. They are lighter, don't sway and are great for compressing your 
gear.  Also. on rugged terrain, you are often pushing your bike, which can 
be a hassle with rear panniers in the way. 

As a lifelong backpacker, I've accumulated a lot of ultralight camping gear 
that fit's more easily in the smaller spaces of the frame bags while still 
providing the camp comforts I desire.  While I don't drag along chairs  and 
musical instruments I do bring along a small flask for campfire relaxing.

Plenty of bikepackers are not racers BTW, just out to enjoy the outdoors 
and ride without monstrous loads.  

~mike





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