I think I'm in the camp with Mike S. If it provides more tire options it's 
a wonderful thing! As far as the race thing goes...I read a thing from our 
very own Patrick ( Paraphrasing here) that he enjoys watching the BORAF and 
others but has no desire to actually race or dress like a racer, which I 
totally agree with. Racing has created some interesting technical 
develpoments that trickle down some good, some questionable.

And yes Chris the smile disarms all those wondering about the upright 
comfortable bike.

Quick anecdotal, while still riding Carbon I was in my LBS in Pasadena and 
I was looking at all the bikes (I was aware of Rivendell but figured they 
were out of my league) in the store and one of the managers approached me 
and asked if I need help? I asked him if ever they planed on bringing in 
any steel lugged bicycles with good tire clearances, he looked at me with 
such disdain ad said something to the effect that that's not their market 
and figure it never will be...I was floored by his arrogance. Soon after 
that I sold my Crapon bike and started the process of buying a Rivendell. 
Thank God Grant went contrary to the trends of the day.

~Hugh

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:33:50 AM UTC-7, ayjaydee wrote:
>
> What are your thoughts on this sudden "discovery" of the pleasures of 
> off-pavement riding by the gravel specific bike manufacturers. It seems to 
> me that they feel they have invented a whole new form of bicycle activity.
>

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