Garth, I'm betting Aaron measured the waist without stretching the elastic, 
which means many inches are available. My waist is 36" and the large fit 
great with quite a bit of room to spare.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 5:38:11 PM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
> Yes Aaron ... it does help !!   
>
> Sounds like I may want a Large or XL.  I wear pants and shorts with the 
> waist overly large, and use the belt to take up the extra. Most of my 
> shorts are in the 34-36 inch waist relaxed range. 
>
> Does the belt in these come right out on it's own ?  The Riv page says 
> it's removable, but it appears in the pics the belt is stitched on one end 
> to itself. 
>

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