Hi Garth,

I recently bought a pair of these size Medium.  Here's what I measure:

>
> -First, I'm seeking the *true waist* measurement. Lye flat the shorts,
> measure across the waistband outside to outside, x 2 .  Inches.
>

 31" (15.5 x2)


> -Second, the complete rise. From the top of the waist, down the middle
> seam to the gusset, call this *Front Rise*. Then do the same for the *Back
> Rise*. Then measure *across the gusset* through the virtual middle line.
> These 3 measurements and I'll get a *Total Rise*.
>

10.5+11+6.5= 28"


> -Third, The *outseam*. Just like it sounds, from the top of the side
> waist, down the seam to the bottom hem.
>

17.5"



> -Fourth, The *leg opening*. Lye flat, across the bottom hem . x 2.
>

12.5 x 2 = 25"


Hope it helps.  I've only ridden in these once, but they were just fine.
 Didn't notice them at all, which is a good thing.

Aaron Young
The Dalles, OR

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