I've ridden sufficiently in rain and in dry dirt with panniers and had no
real problems with dirt or wet; of course, I don't do rain very often, so
perhaps I'd change my mind if I were in your situation.

OTOH, dirt + rain ...

Patrick Moore, going to add temp fends to my Riv errand and dig out my
Campmor cape this afternoon since, guess what! We got 1/10" (southern Rio
Rancho; prolly more eastward and southward) on both Tuesday and Wednesday
evenings, in 15 minute downpours!

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Michael Hechmer <mhech...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You wouldn't say that if you lived in VT,where we have had 50 days of rain
> in the last 10 weeks! Or if you lived on a dirt road.  I have front and
> rear racks on my Saluki but I want absolutely everything above the fenders.
>  If it all wont fit in the barley bag, I pull out the Nelson LF.  Both are
> on their own SQRs.  In fact my only complaint about Canti brakes is that
> the pivots sit below the fenders.
>
> Michael
> in flooded Westford, VT.
>
>
> On Friday, July 5, 2013 10:24:30 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> One reason that on the whole I prefer panniers and rack to saddlebags is
>> the ease of swapping bags around. On my Ram, which serves largely as a fun
>> to ride grocery bike, the Fly can carry anything from a single Ortlieb
>> front Packer, for mail or for kit for longer rides, or a pair of huge
>> shopping panniers that will swallow 50 lb of groceries (or several large
>> pots of chrysanthemums, or large watermelons, etc).
>>
>> The short answer is, whatever I need it to carry: it changes. I carry the
>> tool kit in a large saddlepack.
>>
>> Speaking of which, if anyone wants to trade a used but still VG
>> Saddlesack Medium for a silver Tubus Fly or very similar, please email me
>> offlist. The SS M is, for my purposes, the ideal saddlebag, but it's not as
>> useful as a very light rack and a choice of bags. Note that the rack must
>> weigh less than 16 oz, carry at least 18 kg, be silver, and work with 559
>> wheels.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 8:13 AM, NWAJack <nwa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So a while back there was a RR article about what they were carrying in
>>> their saddlebag.  So, what do you all have on your rack(s) right now?
>>>
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