Jim:

That is a gorgeous rack.  The second set of bars seems such a simple 
addition that greatly enhances the utility of the rack.  Being able to load 
the platform without disturbing the panniers would make simplify life on 
tour.  Just around town it's nice to just clip on a pannier as needed & not 
have to mess with a bag on the platform.  

dougP

On Tuesday, November 6, 2012 8:39:17 AM UTC-8, Jim Cloud wrote:
>
> Doug, I agree that a second set of bars beneath the platform would be 
> a good feature for many of the larger Nitto racks.  I have a custom 
> rack that was made many years ago for my Schwinn Paramount by Jock 
> Fisher (RIP) who was a partner of Tim Isaac at that time.  The rack 
> has the second set, and I've used it to mount the Berthoud GB799 
> panniers on some occasions. (here: 
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964304@N05/4880400987/in/set-72157624699133170 
> ) 
>
> Jim 
> On Nov 5, 6:04 pm, dougP <dougpn...@cox.net> wrote: 
> > Jim: 
> > 
> > Is the lower horizontal bar on the R-15 intended for pannier mounting? 
> > 
> > An irritation that I have about the Nitto big back racks is the 
> awkwardness 
> > of using the platform with panniers installed.  I've seen other mfgs 
> racks 
> > with a second set of bars a couple of inches below the platform.  The 
> > second set allows unobstructed use of the platform with panniers 
> > installed.  IMHO the Nitto big back rack would be much improved by a 
> second 
> > set of bars and eliminating the angle braces that seem to mostly get in 
> the 
> > way of things. 
> > 
> > dougP 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Monday, November 5, 2012 9:59:22 AM UTC-8, Jim Cloud wrote: 
> > 
> > > I've had a set of the small, but very nicely made, Gilles Berthoud 
> > > GB799 panniers for several years and I've used them for some short 
> > > tours.  Originally, I had them mounted on one of the Nitto Campee rear 
> > > racks that are made with detachable low-CG grates 
> > > (here: 
> > >http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id... 
>
> > > ). 
> > 
> > > The Berthoud GB799 panniers weren't well suited to the Campee rack, 
> > > which seemed outsized compared to the pannier bags.  I've subsequently 
> > > sold my Campee rack. 
> > 
> > > Recently, pretty much by serendipity, I happened to find some on-line 
> > > photos that showed the Nitto R-15 rear rack on a couple of bikes. 
> > > That rack looked quite suitable for the GB799 panniers, so I ordered 
> > > the rack from Ben's Cycle.  I mounted it on my Rivendell Road Standard 
> > > and I've been very pleased with the match to my Berthoud panniers! 
> > 
> > > The Nitto R-15 rack appears to have been purpose designed for the 
> > > Gilles Berthoud GB799 panniers - if it wasn't they certainly conform 
> > > to the rack quite perfectly. 
> > 
> > > Here's some photos of the rack and panniers on my bike: 
> > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964304@N05/sets/72157631927569683/ 
> > 
> > > Jim Cloud 
> > > Tucson, AZ 
>

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