Lower/second set of bars like the Tubus Cosmo - a great rack.  Only downside is 
that the platform needs to be narrower, making it somewhat less than ideal for 
trunk bags on the rear.  Really great for panniers + saddlebag, though.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of dougP
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 8:04 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: An interesting match of the Nitto R-15 rear rack and 
Berthoud panniers

Jim:

Is the lower horizontal bar on the R-15 intended for pannier mounting?

An irritation that I have about the Nitto big back racks is the awkwardness of 
using the platform with panniers installed.  I've seen other mfgs racks with a 
second set of bars a couple of inches below the platform.  The second set 
allows unobstructed use of the platform with panniers installed.  IMHO the 
Nitto big back rack would be much improved by a second set of bars and 
eliminating the angle braces that seem to mostly get in the way of things.

dougP

On Monday, November 5, 2012 9:59:22 AM UTC-8, Jim Cloud wrote:
I've had a set of the small, but very nicely made, Gilles Berthoud
GB799 panniers for several years and I've used them for some short
tours.  Originally, I had them mounted on one of the Nitto Campee rear
racks that are made with detachable low-CG grates
(here:  
http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=874
).

The Berthoud GB799 panniers weren't well suited to the Campee rack,
which seemed outsized compared to the pannier bags.  I've subsequently
sold my Campee rack.

Recently, pretty much by serendipity, I happened to find some on-line
photos that showed the Nitto R-15 rear rack on a couple of bikes.
That rack looked quite suitable for the GB799 panniers, so I ordered
the rack from Ben's Cycle.  I mounted it on my Rivendell Road Standard
and I've been very pleased with the match to my Berthoud panniers!

The Nitto R-15 rack appears to have been purpose designed for the
Gilles Berthoud GB799 panniers - if it wasn't they certainly conform
to the rack quite perfectly.

Here's some photos of the rack and panniers on my bike:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964304@N05/sets/72157631927569683/

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ
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