Thanks Grant......I was beginning to get discouraged in this thread and was 
ready to abandon my efforts from the past year and a half and just go back 
to eating carbohydrates again, gaining back all the fat I lost since it 
obviously doesn't work. I figured I'd  just count calories again and eat 
get a better attitude since I must not have a good one because I am a fat 
guy  ; ) ........Seriously though Grant, I do appreciate your articles, 
interviews, the new book and your links to various authors and websites 
that we have been reading on the subject of eating a "Paleo" 
/ ancestral diet etc. It has helped me greatly to get control of my food 
cravings which has resulted in several symptoms disappearing (that I won't 
elaborate on) not to mention the obvious loss of fat. My clothes size went 
down I feel better and I have you to thank for pointing the way after I had 
tried nearly every other method from crazy exercising routines to calorie 
counting, food weighing, not eating fat, portioning, the wife 
went vegetarian (not me) etc. etc. I could go on but this approach has been 
the easiest to maintain and one that get results....thanks again. I look 
forward to the research site you gave the link to......it looks like they 
are on the right track. My own experience however is proof enough for me ( 
in spite of the naysayers and skeptics) but I welcome the added knowledge 
the "NUSI" group will bring to the subject.

On Thursday, October 11, 2012 4:39:42 PM UTC-7, grant wrote:
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>
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> Visit nusi.org. We can guess, but they will discover.
>
>
> On Sunday, October 7, 2012 11:08:18 PM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote:
>>
>> The point of moderation is to prevent problems.  Once you've already got 
>> problems, it may be a different story. However, extremity in seeking weight 
>> loss may not be a good plan either.  I have known people who developed 
>> health problems as a result of the Adkins plan, the "primal" type stuff, 
>> etc.  I've also known people helped by it.  These are decisions to be made 
>> with the advice of a doctor, not an Internet mailing list or a blog or some 
>> other web site.
>>
>> My Dad was an insulin dependent diabetic from the age of 6, which he 
>> developed as a consequence of having had polio in 1935.  He took two to 
>> three shots of insulin a day for the rest of his life, which was about 25 
>> years longer than he had been told to expect (he lived to be 67).  It's a 
>> disease best prevented.  Even though he was compliant with diet and 
>> treatment, it still took a toll on his health (coronary artery disease, 
>> peripheral vascular disease, peripheral neuropathy but oddly no problems 
>> with kidneys or eyes).  He had a great endocrinologist... It's so much 
>> better not to need a great endocrinologist.  As a result I pay a lot of 
>> attention since I may have an increased risk, although no doctor can tell 
>> me for sure since diabetes does not run strongly in the family on either 
>> side.  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 7, 2012, at 9:49 PM, charlie <cl_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> Kind of agree and kind of don't.......(for some) trying to lose fat, 
>> moderation amounts to no progress. For those people it takes absolute 
>> vigilance and resolve without any wavering to lose fat and maintain their 
>> effort. Compromise just doesn't end well ultimately. Maybe for the average 
>> person that idea is okay......I'll give ya that. For someone on the edge of 
>> diabetes, compromise will put them over the edge into the abyss of insulin 
>> injections and a decline in the quality of life.
>>
>> On Sunday, October 7, 2012 9:02:23 AM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote:
>>>
>>> Too much of anything is bad for you.  Too many carbs, too much fat, too 
>>> much protein, too much water, too much alcohol, too much exercise, too much 
>>> laziness, too much stress, etc.   Humans are omnivorous in many ways and 
>>> can thrive in an amazing variety of situations. 
>>>
>>> Moderation in all things, including moderation. 
>>>
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